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klg
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response 75 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:06 UTC 2006 |
richard
Richard J. Wallner
response 66 of 74: Feb 10 14:50 EST 2006
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bru do you know how many people would have died in a full scale "all
out" invasion of Iran?! Carter even said that the Pentagon brass
wanted him to nuke Tehran, and waste it like Hiroshima. But that would
have killed all the hostages, and for what? Revenge?
Carter brought the hostages home alive.
Pardon me for misunderstanding the "Carter brought the hostages home
alive." How was I to know you were only kidding?
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richard
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response 76 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:14 UTC 2006 |
Carter DID bring the hostages home alive, they came home alive BECAUSE OF HIM.
He negotiated the deal.
Not Reagan.
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tod
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response 77 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:18 UTC 2006 |
"See....well....there you go again...."
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marcvh
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response 78 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:18 UTC 2006 |
The Camp David Accords made peace between Israel and Egypt. Twenty-five
years later there is still peace between Israel and Egypt. They did not
result in complete peace and harmony in the entire region with all the
children joining hands and singing as golden silk streamed out their
asses, granted. But I don't think that even kludge would try to argue
that the world would be a better place if they had never happened.
Reagan negotiated with hostage-takers and rewarded them for their
behavior, and once that precedent was established we saw more and
more hostage-taking in the future.
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tod
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response 79 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:22 UTC 2006 |
Reagan opened that pandora's box by letting Poindexter run a 2 for 1 sale
through the NSA. GW is kinda doing the same thing with the Sauds and soon
with the Iraqis but we won't be hearing about it til he's out of office.
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richard
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response 80 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:25 UTC 2006 |
Im hard pressed to see why klg hates Carter, since klg wants a theocracy, and
Carter was a born again christian, the first one to be president, who probably
prayed before every decision he ever made in office. Carter was also a
centerist who took a hard line towards the Soviet Union (grain embargo,
olympic boycott .etc)
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richard
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response 81 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:27 UTC 2006 |
Carter also negotiated the peace between egypt and israel, the famous camp
david accords involving him, Begin and Sadat. A considerable accomplishment,
which he made possible, a peace which lasts between those two countries to
this day.
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tod
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response 82 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:30 UTC 2006 |
Yea but he's a Whacko! He's an enemy of freedom
He's lettin the terra ists win
You can't send mixed messages
Its a hard job!
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cross
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response 83 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:40 UTC 2006 |
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tod
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response 84 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:43 UTC 2006 |
Look at the bright side..2 million more jobs were created (forget that many
of them were for DHS, CIA, and FEMA out-of-state contractor gigs!)
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richard
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response 85 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:44 UTC 2006 |
bru still harbors under the illusion that we can make a country or region of
the world safer with sheer brute force. Iran and Iraq are what they are, we
can change regimes, and force democracies on them, but we cannot change the
people, no matter how many troops we send in. We haven't broken the Iraqis
will, quite the opposite, they are more mobilized against us now than ever.
The world is LESS SAFE now than it was before the invasion. Considerably less
safe.
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tod
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response 86 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:55 UTC 2006 |
If anything, our military how revealed its weaknesses in urban warfare to al
Qaeda with nothing to show for it. Iran is not a military option.
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jep
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response 87 of 119:
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Feb 10 21:58 UTC 2006 |
Oh, come now. Force works very well. When is the last time you heard
about any problem occurring in Grenada?
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tod
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response 88 of 119:
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Feb 10 22:20 UTC 2006 |
Grenada? That's like taking candy from a baby. It was a spat with Cuba over
their marxist puppet. Reference something relevant like Beirut at least.
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fitz
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response 89 of 119:
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Feb 10 22:59 UTC 2006 |
I believe that a retired diplomat wrote that while it's true that negotiations
to release the hostages in Iran were continuous, the decision of when to
return them was deliberately timed to coincide with Reagan's taking office
in order to further embarrass Carter.
I forgot the name of the diplomat. Anyway, it makes a plausible circumstance
where both Carter and Reagan gain the freedom of the hostages.
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tod
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response 90 of 119:
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Feb 10 23:07 UTC 2006 |
Ronnie gave them a couple rifles to wait an extra week for his inauguration.
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khamsun
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response 91 of 119:
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Feb 11 01:12 UTC 2006 |
this side of the ocean, it's often considered that Carter was the 1st in
shifting the US foreign policy away from support to dictatures and the
banana republic model.And his Nobel Prize is well deserved.
But at the same time he's still an imperialist (the belief of US
cultural and political superiority.)
His *big* error: together with his advisor Brzezinski, they didn't have
a clue of the inner working of the already dying soviet system, and
obsessed with the afghan-trap idea, are responsible for the whole
radical-islam monster.Instead, Moscow, used to deal for centuries with
muslim cultures had a clear vision and tried to oppose what was to be
the taliban.
Btw, where is Osama, you know, the guy responsible for the death of the
NYC towers bombing?
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rcurl
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response 92 of 119:
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Feb 11 03:16 UTC 2006 |
We'll only be able to call Afghanistan and Iraq democracies *after we leave*
if open democratic governments survive with equal rights for all citizens.
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cross
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response 93 of 119:
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Feb 11 04:45 UTC 2006 |
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khamsun
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response 94 of 119:
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Feb 11 05:45 UTC 2006 |
Re #93:
(Carter & Iraq ??)
> Had it not been for Europe, there would be no Iraq.
you mean the franco-british agreement in WWI and the shaping of Iraq by
the Brits?
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sholmes
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response 95 of 119:
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Feb 11 10:45 UTC 2006 |
Woah ! I bet Osama says so too , big deal we bombed the twin tower , for a
better prospect of a more elegant building in place.
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cross
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response 96 of 119:
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Feb 11 16:44 UTC 2006 |
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tod
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response 97 of 119:
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Feb 13 17:04 UTC 2006 |
Manifest Destiny and Plunder! USA USA USA!
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cross
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response 98 of 119:
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Feb 13 22:55 UTC 2006 |
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gull
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response 99 of 119:
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Feb 14 02:14 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:5: That's because Republicans always form a cult of personality
around their President. To them there is no real distinction between
the man and the policy; to criticize one is to criticize the other.
This is also why it's taken them six years to realize George W. Bush is
not actually a conservative.
Re resp:11, resp:12: Those sound like funerals I'd actually want to go
to. I tend to avoid funerals, but that's mainly because of how they're
held. I'd rather have a beer and sit around talking about the good
times from the guy's life than sit in a dark, depressing chapel and
listen to a preacher.
Re resp:61: I dunno. Every time I see her I think, "Man, she needs to
go on 'What Not To Wear' so someone can show her how to dress her age."
Re resp:67: There's a great headline in the Onion's "Our Dumb Century"
book: "Iranian Hostages Released: Reagan Implores American People Not
To Put Two And Two Together"
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