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kingjon
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response 75 of 104:
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Jan 20 01:20 UTC 2006 |
Re #74: If you have any doubts, it's not OK. In other words, anything that's
explicitly forbidden or anything that your conscience forbids is off-limits.
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tod
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response 76 of 104:
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Jan 20 01:53 UTC 2006 |
Praise be to Allah
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cyklone
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response 77 of 104:
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Jan 20 04:38 UTC 2006 |
Re #73: Oh, you're a real rebel, in a 90's straight-edge kind of way, but
your view is in no way "counter-cultural." I'm quite sure the vast
majority of American parents tell their children the very things you
advocate. And BTW, even "real" Christians divorce. I know one born-again
woman who decided "amputation" was necessary to avoid her husband's
beatings; beatings so severe they damaged a couple of her vertabrae. Yet
she still wants her children to grow up and get married in the same way
you describe. If you want to claim you're "counter-cultural" you need to
stake out some new turf, cause you're solidly in the majority right now.
Except for the creepy "being one" part . . . .
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happyboy
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response 78 of 104:
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Jan 20 10:00 UTC 2006 |
yeah...that sounded kind of borderline, diddnit?
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fudge
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response 79 of 104:
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Jan 20 11:31 UTC 2006 |
hey how about stopping with the labels?
between white and black there's not only gray but all the other colours too.
Love is a state of mind - or a range of - and sex is an act that doesn't
define anything, you can have sex with a friend, a spouse, partner, complete
stranger or, for some, even animals... Labelling what a relationship is seems
like a waste of time to me.
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kingjon
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response 80 of 104:
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Jan 20 14:14 UTC 2006 |
Re #77: I don't *want* my view to be counter-cultural, but look at the
"culture" -- the media especially. Maybe even a substantial minority
*say* they hold the same view, but I don't think they're acting like
it.
C.S. Lewis, in his discussion of divorce (_Mere Christianity_, IIRC)
said that some churches consider "amputation" so damaging a procedure
that they won't do it at all, while others reserve it for cases like
the one you describe.
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keesan
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response 81 of 104:
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Jan 20 15:23 UTC 2006 |
Love is in your head and it is triggered by something you perceive in the
outside environment and involves opioid receptors, as does sex, which means
you get withdrawal symptoms if the loved object is removed. And act
irrationally in its presence.
Jonathan, how did your parents meet each other?
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richard
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response 82 of 104:
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Jan 20 15:27 UTC 2006 |
Is love, or infatuation, as some scientists suggest, possibly a chemical
reaction in the brain that makes you respond in a certain way to a certain
person? Something that one day could be controlled by the right drug. The
mythical "love pill" or "love potion">?
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jadecat
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response 83 of 104:
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Jan 20 15:41 UTC 2006 |
re resp:62 - nope, that would not be an accurate statement for his first
marriage. The details of which I'm not going to go into.
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kingjon
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response 84 of 104:
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Jan 20 16:49 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:81 last paragraph: In a math class at the University of Illinois
(Urbana-Champaign) (second-semester calculus).
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marcvh
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response 85 of 104:
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Jan 20 17:08 UTC 2006 |
There exist real religious minorities whose norms with respect to love
and marriage are countercultural and are not accommodated by mainstream
society. If the speaker were, say, a Hasidic Jew (or some other
adherent of arranged marriages) or a Mormon polygamist, then I could
accept the notion that it's countercultural. But abstinence before
marriage is hardly countercultural -- indeed its a sufficiently
mainstream view that we dont have to wonder what would happen if it
were promoted more aggressively (namely, teenagers having lots of oral
sex.)
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rcurl
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response 86 of 104:
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Jan 20 17:53 UTC 2006 |
Re #82: all human reactions are some sort of "chemical reaction in the
brain that makes you respond in a certain way". Existing "love potions"
include pheromones emitted by others. Of course, there is also a lot of
conscious control of the unconscious responses. But what it comes down to
is the "sex drive" modified by circumstances and culture.
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edina
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response 87 of 104:
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Jan 20 17:55 UTC 2006 |
If love is simply in your head, why did it literally feel like my heart was
breaking when I was splitting with my ex?
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rcurl
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response 88 of 104:
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Jan 20 18:03 UTC 2006 |
Your brain has lots of control over your body. That's how gory scenes might
make people puke, extreme duress might trigger heart attacks, and emotional
distress cause numerous sensations and responses.
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tod
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response 89 of 104:
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Jan 20 18:05 UTC 2006 |
Jesus Juice
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edina
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response 90 of 104:
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Jan 20 18:09 UTC 2006 |
Re 88 I of course know this. I was simply trying to point out that it's not
as "black and white" or "scientific" as it's being made to seem.
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tod
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response 91 of 104:
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Jan 20 18:12 UTC 2006 |
Reducing everything to science is a cop-out from reality, imo.
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jep
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response 92 of 104:
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Jan 20 18:35 UTC 2006 |
There's nothing wrong with explaining emotions through science, but
explaining them doesn't change anything. They still have a great
impact on us all, and they are still very real.
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tod
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response 93 of 104:
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Jan 20 18:40 UTC 2006 |
Shutup dummy
;)
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kingjon
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response 94 of 104:
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Jan 20 18:43 UTC 2006 |
Re #85: If necessary, adjust my definition of "countercultural" to be "against
the current the culture seems to be following." I have mostly made friends with
people of similar views to mine, but the statistics on the numbers of people
having sex before marriage -- and on the number of divorces -- belies the idea
that my view is in the mainstream.
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rcurl
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response 95 of 104:
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Jan 20 19:14 UTC 2006 |
Again, I agree with jep (re #92), and that is what I was driving at.
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mcnally
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response 96 of 104:
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Jan 20 19:39 UTC 2006 |
re #94: Although believing in a distorted version of our culture may give
you a cheap thrill when you ponder what a rebel you are, you need to stop
conflating distorted media depictions of American culture with the actual
culture itself (even assuming there is such a thing as a single monolithic
"American culture.")
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kingjon
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response 97 of 104:
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Jan 20 19:46 UTC 2006 |
As I said, I wish my position wasn't countercultural, but *given the
statistics* for the things my position excludes (divorce, premarital sex, etc.)
I don't see how it can fit any definition of what our culture believes.
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marcvh
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response 98 of 104:
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Jan 20 19:49 UTC 2006 |
#94: what you're seeing is not a split between your view and the
mainstream, but rather a split between what people say and what they
actually do.
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cyklone
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response 99 of 104:
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Jan 20 19:59 UTC 2006 |
Re #96: Couldn't have said it better myself. Klingon also must not be
looking at his statistics too carefully. While divorce is certainly not
uncommon, it appears he's fallen for the "half of all marriages end in
divorce" myth, which I believe has been debunked here on Grex before.
Even among his peer group, the latest statistics are that over one third
of his classmates will graduate without having intercourse. That's a
pretty large minority, certainly larger than any of the other
"traditional" minorities nationwide.
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