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albaugh
response 75 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 16:22 UTC 2003

Actually aruba, your "/ 2" logic is what I have thought it *should* be, since
it would represent the number of games they would have had to win instead of
losing that would take them to .500.  However, that is not how it is
interpreted in baseball tradition:  "# games under .500" is the number of
consecutive games the team would have to win to get back to .500.  I don't
like it, I think it "doubles" the "stat", but it's "the tradition".
tpryan
response 76 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 18:17 UTC 2003

        How many games are the Tigers behind the American League leader?
jep
response 77 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 18:57 UTC 2003

The Tigers are 29 1/2 games in back of Cleveland (67-90), #4 in their 
division.  They're 49 games back of Minnesota (87-69), their division 
leader.  If there were no divisions, they'd be 59 games in back of the 
Yankees (97-59) for the American League pennant.

Mark, I wouldn't mind going to the game, preferably on Sunday so I 
don't have to miss any college football games on TV.
albaugh
response 78 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 03:52 UTC 2003

The Tigers pounded out a month's (season's) worth of frustration on the
Royals, winning Tuesday night (Sept 23) 15-6.  They had gone ahead 7-2 in the
top of the 4th, then promptly gave up 4 runs to make it 7-6.  But they came
right back with 4 in the top of the 5th, and ended up scoring at least 1 run
in each of the first 7 innings, something they haven't done is many years.
Their previous high for runs this season had been 10.

So they're now 39-118 with 5 games left.  With 1 win they will at least avoid
setting the record for fewest wins.  It's still going to be hard to avoid
setting the anti-record for most losses.
gelinas
response 79 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 04:22 UTC 2003

It's going to be hard to avoid one more win, but I think the Tigers can do
it.
jep
response 80 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 12:43 UTC 2003

Let's put it this way; the Tigers just ended a 10 game losing streak.  
They have 5 left to play.  They can lose them all... and the odds are 
that they will.  I'm hoping for any win(s) they can get.  Every one is 
important to avoid a bad milestone:

1 win -- win #40, at least tie the Mets rather than "pass" them
2 wins -- win #41, winning percentage goes above .250
3 wins -- no worse than 120 losses
4 wins -- not the worst team ever, or even tied for worst ever
5 wins -- a year-ending 6 game winning streak would be a breath of
   fresh air
aruba
response 81 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 14:09 UTC 2003

Sunday's game is at 1:05 - let's do it.  Who else wants to go, besides jep
and me?  THose of us in Ann Arbor could carpool, and meet the rest of you at
the ballpark.
jep
response 82 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 13:15 UTC 2003

There are some good tickets left for $5.  I just did a search and could 
have bought 4 seats in section 325 (behind the plate, upper deck, 
middle row of the section) by ordering them on-line.  These are 
normally $20 tickets.  I sat there several times during the Tigers 
first season in Comerica.

There's a $3.25 surcharge per ticket for ordering tickets on-line.  It 
might be worthwhile.  They *could* sell out for the last game, though I 
think it's unlikely.  We'd surely get better tickets by buying in 
advance.

If we're going to meet up at the ballpark, we ought to pick a place and 
time so we can find each other.  Maybe the Tiger statue in front of the 
stadium would be a good place?  
aruba
response 83 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 13:39 UTC 2003

That sounds good.  I'll enter an item in the new Agora.

Tigers score 4 in the 1st inning last night, then hung on to win 4-3.  So
they won't become the first team not to win 40 games.  One more win and
they'll be above .250, and so avoid having the worst winning percentage of
all time.
aruba
response 84 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 13:59 UTC 2003

OK, I entered item 25 in the new agora to discuss a Grexpedition to
Comerica.
albaugh
response 85 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 19:18 UTC 2003

Yep, they're now 40-118 with 4 games left, all at home against Minnesota.
gelinas
response 86 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 21:50 UTC 2003

If they lose all four, they'll end up at .240.  Not as good as a sub-40 win
season, but they *are* the Tigers, after all.
albaugh
response 87 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:25 UTC 2003

BTW, those last 2 games in KC (Tue & Wed) were managed by stand in Larry
Parrish, a former manager of the Tigers, still with the organization.  
Alan Trammell was away due to the death of his mother.
albaugh
response 88 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:33 UTC 2003

Game summary from tonight (Thu Sept 25):

Tigers were down 1-0 in a pitching duel, heading into the bottom of the 7th.
With runners at 2nd & 3rd and one out, Bobby Higginson's ground ball tied the
game at 1.  With runners on 2nd & 3rd this time with 2 out, a double brought
them both in for a 3-1 lead, setting up a win for the Tigers starter.
But in the top of the 8th Matt Anderson continued what I consider to be the
swoon of his career, walking 2 of the 3 batters he faced, both of which
scored.  Reliever Rodney gave up a sac fly and a 2-run homer to give the Twins
back the lead 4-3.  In the bottom of the 8th, Craig Monroe's solo homer tied
the game at 4.  The game went into extra innings still tied, until Shane
Halter's 2-out "walk off" solo homer game the Tige's a 5-4 win.

So that makes 'em 41-118 with 3 games to go.  They have now assured themselves
not to tie for the fewest wins, and cannot have the worst winning percentage.
Who knows, it just might be possible for them to reach "safety" after all,
with 2 wins in the next 3 games.
jep
response 89 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:36 UTC 2003

Nope, they won tonight, in the 11th inning, on a 2 out home run by 
Shane Halter.  This is their 3rd win in a row, and it clinches a 
better winning percentage and more wins for the season than the 1962 
Mets.  I would say now that the Tigers will not be considered the 
worst team in the Modern Era.

A few years ago, Halter played every position on the field in a ball 
game.  (The manager at the time, whom I believe was Larry Parrish, 
would have put him in at DH as well, but didn't; it was just a mistake 
on his part.)

From this, and seeing him in occasional games, and hearing him in 
interviews, you might think Halter is a player to be reckoned with.  
In fact, he's a scrub; he wouldn't be playing for any other major 
league team and shouldn't be with the Tigers.  He won't be around next 
year and won't wind up with another major league team.  He's really 
pretty bad.

But... good for him.  I'm glad he had one good day.
albaugh
response 90 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:43 UTC 2003

Actually, that was his 2nd "walk off" (game winning & ending) home run this
month:  The first beat Cleveland.
albaugh
response 91 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 04:13 UTC 2003

The Tigers made a brave go of it Friday night (Sept 26), losing 5-4 in 11
innings.  They took a 2-0 lead in the first inning, and another lead 3-2 in
the 5th on a solo homer by Dmitri Young, after the Twins had tied it at 2.
The game went into the 10th tied at 3, and the Twins went ahead 4-3 on a 2-out
walk followed by a double.  But the Tigers tied the game at 4 in the bottom
of the 10th on a 1-out single by Shane Halter.  The Twins got the winning run
in the top of the 11th on a leadoff home run.

So that makes 'em 41-119 with 2 games to go.  They can still reach "safety"
if they win both.  Anything less means tying or setting the record for most
losses (which they already have the American League record for now).
jep
response 92 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 14:22 UTC 2003

It was exciting at the end of the game.  I was surprised to find that 
I expected them to win.  It's been a while since I felt that way.
happyboy
response 93 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 21:03 UTC 2003

the tigers are my favorite team again.


we...except for the mudhens who would
KICK THEIR ASS.
slynne
response 94 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 23:53 UTC 2003

I know. I might have to go watch this team next year. They prolly need 
someone to encourage them and let them know that it doesnt mean they 
are bad people if they lose. ;)
richard
response 95 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 01:34 UTC 2003

Tigers are losing 8-4 to Minnesota in the eighth, it appears they may tie the
record tonight and go for the record tomorrow
jep
response 96 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:18 UTC 2003

Nope, they're tied at the bottom of the 9th.  Come on, Tigers!
jep
response 97 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:19 UTC 2003

They did it!  They won!

They were down 8-0 in the 5th inning, and they came back against the 
Minnesota Twins and they won!
gelinas
response 98 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:22 UTC 2003

They can't even lose properly, can they? ;)
jep
response 99 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:38 UTC 2003

I think they did it just the way I wanted them to!
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