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Grex > Cyberpunk > #143: Proposal to ban anonymous Internet access |  |
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keesan
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response 75 of 90:
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Feb 20 17:32 UTC 2001 |
Next they are going to require that you mail letters in person at the post
office, and take your fingerprints and a DNA sample. How many pedophiles in
Michigan are actively abusing children? This sounds like something calculated
to get votes, not results.
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n8nxf
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response 76 of 90:
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Feb 20 17:40 UTC 2001 |
I just carry a $10 line-connect phone with me. I put alligator clips on the
the end of the wire and all I have to do is find a live telco wire and I'm
all set. (Little boxes along the road in the county that are never locked.)
I've had it trying to find a payphone when I need one!
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nephi
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response 77 of 90:
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Feb 20 20:26 UTC 2001 |
Pedophiles are a very real threat. A commonly cited statistic is that
10% of boys and 25% of girls are sexually abused by the time they reach
majority. It is very important to reduce these numbers.
On the other hand, the Internet seems relatively harmless in this
regard. It's hard to think of how a kid could be abused online --
especially if the kid has reasonably attentive and responsible parents.
I guess that given irresponsible parents, a kid could come in contact
with naked pictures or movies featuring sex. A clever kid could even
manage to send naked pictures of himself or herself, or get involved in
some inappropriate CUSeeMe exchange.
The worst abuses seem difficult or impossible to perpetrate via the
Internet. Non-consensual sexual relations happening online seems
unlikely, and physical contact is obviously impossible. The other
abuses are easy for a responsible parent to prevent.
Considering that most sexual abuse is perpetrated by a relative or
well-known acquaintance of the parents, I think efforts to eliminate
sexual abuse should focus in that area.
I think that the focus should at least be on the physical world.
Limiting access to communications tools doesn't seem like a solution at
all.
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mary
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response 78 of 90:
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Feb 20 23:30 UTC 2001 |
Pandering child pornography is against the law. Think a little
wider than physical contact.
If we knew that someone here, on Grex, was using his/her
anonymous access to facilitate illegal activity would we
then feel differently about promoting unverified access?
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aaron
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response 79 of 90:
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Feb 21 00:15 UTC 2001 |
re #77: Those "statistics" first utilize a very broad definition of
"sexual abuse", second conflate any child molestation with teenagers'
experiences, and third don't point to pedophiles as the bulk of those
acts are committed by heterosexuals.
There have been a number of cases where young teens have been enticed to
meet strangers, often at motels, as a result of contact made over the
Internet. A surprising number of cases, actually. That has become the
favorite "sting operation" of late - after the statutes were duly
amended so as to allow prosecution even though no child was involved,
police officers have been pretending to be minors in various chat groups
in order to entice people into propositioning them, a meeting is
arranged, and the person is arrested.
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jp2
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response 80 of 90:
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Feb 21 01:48 UTC 2001 |
This response has been erased.
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other
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response 81 of 90:
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Feb 21 02:13 UTC 2001 |
That was totally imcomprehensible, in case you weren't paying attention.
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cmcgee
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response 82 of 90:
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Feb 21 09:24 UTC 2001 |
Aaron, did you really mean to imply that pedophiles aren't heterosexual?
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aaron
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response 83 of 90:
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Feb 21 15:11 UTC 2001 |
Nope. Some are, some aren't. But most child molesters are not
pedophiles.
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slynne
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response 84 of 90:
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Feb 21 16:15 UTC 2001 |
They're not? What are they then? Just regular dudes.
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aaron
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response 85 of 90:
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Feb 21 18:13 UTC 2001 |
Not all of them are "regular". Not all of them are "dudes", although
most are.
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cmcgee
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response 86 of 90:
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Feb 21 22:05 UTC 2001 |
Wanna explain how a child molester is not a pedophile?
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aaron
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response 87 of 90:
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Feb 21 22:52 UTC 2001 |
It is very simple, actually. A pedophile's primary sexual fixation is
upon pre-adolescent children. That does not mean that a given pedophile
is a child molester - a person who molests children - as some pedophiles
will resist the urge to do so. It also does not mean that a person
whose primary sexual fixation is not upon pre-adolescent children, but
who molests a child, is a pedophile. Most are not.
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bdh3
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response 88 of 90:
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Feb 22 08:09 UTC 2001 |
Only a lawyer could come up with something that 'simple'.
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flem
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response 89 of 90:
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Feb 22 23:24 UTC 2001 |
Aaron's explanation is not only correct, but in fact, regardless of whether
beady understands it, quite simple.
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mcnally
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response 90 of 90:
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Feb 23 01:19 UTC 2001 |
Agreed..
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