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Grex > Coop11 > #188: A policy response to Joe Saul's legal threat to Grex | |
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albaugh
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response 75 of 88:
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Jul 17 22:32 UTC 2000 |
It is proposed that there be a certain amount of "pain" attached to the
process of a user getting his post(s) deleted. In this case, the post would
truly be deleted, which means that someone with write access to the log
(i.e. a staffer) would have to get involved. I think this is needlessly
introduced pain, a compromise put forth to mollify those indignant over the
possibility of disrupting the sacrosanct BBS archive, since in the end any
user who is willing to run the grex gag-order gauntlet will have his wishes
of a deleted post fulfilled.
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pfv
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response 76 of 88:
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Jul 18 00:48 UTC 2000 |
Yeah, it's simply awesome the "pain", (I call it the 'curb'), that
some folksies think is cute.. The "curb" is low everywhere else and,
if one mentions it's TOO low, one is smacked.. So, the folksies want
to RAISE the curb where it protects their precious and special
interests. Amusing in it's own depressing way...
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void
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response 77 of 88:
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Jul 27 14:35 UTC 2000 |
grex does not own my text. *i* choose to publish my text on grex,
accepting that anyone who finds it might copy it. grex *DOES* *NOT*
have the right to force me to continue publishing my text if at some
point i decide i want to remove it from grex. removing my text from
grex does not equate with removing it from the hard drives or other
storage media of people who may have copied it. please stop making the
asinine assumption that i think it does. people might have photocopies
of articles published on paper, but that doesn't mean that the newspaper
or magazine where the article originally appeared will be available in
perpetuity.
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remmers
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response 78 of 88:
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Jul 27 15:07 UTC 2000 |
It doesn't? The Library of Congress and innumerable public libraries
make it their business to archive old newespapers and magazines "in
perpetuity". I think they'd be very much surprised to learn that
their archiving activity is illegal, or that they'd have to snip out
selected parts of their archives on demand.
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jp2
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response 79 of 88:
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Jul 27 15:24 UTC 2000 |
This response has been erased.
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aruba
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response 80 of 88:
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Jul 27 15:56 UTC 2000 |
I don't think it's clear whether we're archiving or republishing. THis is
where the analogy breaks down.
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jiffer
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response 81 of 88:
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Jul 27 16:34 UTC 2000 |
Someone explain to me what they mean by "republishing"?
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gull
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response 82 of 88:
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Jul 27 16:35 UTC 2000 |
Re #78: Oh, I dunno. Didn't they do that kind of revisionism in _1984_?
Maybe we're living in the past. ;> The Soviet Union also used to edit old
photos to remove people they'd "disappeared."
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gypsi
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response 83 of 88:
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Jul 27 16:36 UTC 2000 |
Something I never thought to ask... Why do we have a scribble log? I mean,
what is its intended purpose?
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jiffer
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response 84 of 88:
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Jul 27 18:13 UTC 2000 |
I would think that we are an archiver. We (that be Grex) is not changing
it any anyway when tyhey move it to another file, or whatever. Now, even
where I work at it is microfilm publishing, but we have rights with the paper
publishers to actually archive it. And we charge them.
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other
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response 85 of 88:
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Jul 27 18:15 UTC 2000 |
The real crux is whether what Grex does with it's bbs files falls under the
definition of publishing or maintaining a public archive.
The collective head-butting going on seems to be centered around the different
opinions on this point.
Logically, I think that Grex maintains a publicly accessible archive, but the
whole phenomenon of the world wide web blurs the distinction between that and
actually publishing.
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other
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response 86 of 88:
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Jul 27 18:21 UTC 2000 |
jif slipped in
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flem
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response 87 of 88:
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Jul 28 18:01 UTC 2000 |
The ACLU lawsuit might have some relevance as to whether we're archiving or
publishing.
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remmers
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response 88 of 88:
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Jul 28 18:12 UTC 2000 |
Re #81: I'd appreciate an explanation too.
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