response 75 of 95:

Jun 10 15:43 UTC 1999

It seems to me that there is, in general, strong support going forward
with this vote.

I'll accept the wording Eric gave in response #67 of this item.

response 77 of 95:

Jun 10 21:22 UTC 1999

Okay, the vote program is now set up. To run it, type 'vote' at
a Unix shell prompt or '!vote' at any other prompt. The on-screen
instructions are pretty clear, I think. You can vote as many times
as you want; any new vote erases your previous one. Polls close at
the end of the day (EDT) on Sunday June 20.

You have to have a telnet or direct-dial connection to Grex in order
to vote. I'm hoping to have a web interface for voting set up in the
next few days, just as there is for board elections. Haven't had
time to do it yet, and I'll be out of town over the weekend, so it'll
me the middle of next week at the earliest.

response 79 of 95:

Jun 11 14:05 UTC 1999

I voted yes.

response 81 of 95:

Jun 12 04:59 UTC 1999

rane, feel free to reenfranchise yourself, by whatever means you think will
accomplish that.  of course, i'm assuming that those means be harmless,
because i do not believe your goal to be causing harm in reenfranchising
yourself.  that was a really bad way of sying what i was trying to say...

response 83 of 95:

Jun 21 14:45 UTC 1999

VOTE RESULTS:

38 out of 87 eligible members voted. Results:

    YES:   36
    NO:     2

The proposal passed, and the membership has voted to endorse
Grex's participation in the lawsuit.

The (unofficial) non-member totals:  183 non-members voted,
with 167 voting yes and 16 voting no.

response 85 of 95:

Jun 21 21:33 UTC 1999

yeah but only 43% of members voted in this election-- there's an
argument to be made that a vote should not be considered "passed"
unless a majority of the membership participated in the vote.  of course
although many organizations have such a rule, the federal government does
not.

response 87 of 95:

Jun 22 22:44 UTC 1999

so aruba, if only say 3 members voted in a vote, and the measure passed
two to one, it should pass?  at what point do you decide that a
represntative vote hasnt taken place?

response 89 of 95:

Jun 23 14:02 UTC 1999

at that point wouldn't it be a good idea to go with whatever the board
votes?

response 91 of 95:

Jun 23 17:03 UTC 1999

Historical note: The bylaws originally specified minimum percentages
of total votes cast in order for an election to be valid or a proposal
to pass.  A few years ago, the members voted to eliminate these
percentages, after a board election failed to achieve quota.

So y'all can argue back and forth about this as much as you want, but
the reality is that unless a member proposes a bylaw amendment to
reinstate quotas, and the amendment passes by member vote, then
nothing will change.  Any member is free to propose such an amendment
at any time.

(I was opposed to the change at the time, but have since come around to
the view that eliminating the quotas was a Good Thing.)

response 93 of 95:

Jun 23 23:09 UTC 1999

I am reminded of a time when dpc and I were both on the Civil Rights
Commission here in Ann Arbor.  We were having trouble achieving quorum, so
at one meeting of the 7-member commission, when we _did_ have quorum, we voted
to change our bylaws to allow 3 people to be a quorum.  At every subsequent
meeting, we had nearly everyone there, apparently because they were concerned
about what Dave and I might pass if one other person showed up.  

response 95 of 95:

Jun 24 17:30 UTC 1999

i like that approach/logic...