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valerie
response 73 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 15:14 UTC 1998

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keesan
response 74 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 16:26 UTC 1998

My grandfather worked as a baker until about age 90 (with a brief vacation
from age 65 to 72, until he could work again without losing social security).
My father smoked.  Smoking used to be another reason why men died sooner. 
Smoking constricts the arteries and makes the heart work harder.  Cholesterol
deposits constrict the arteries by filling them up, smoking by causing the
little muscles around them to constrict, raising blood pressure.  Did you know
that nicotine was evolved by plants as a defense against insect predation.
It causes the insect's nervous system to go into convulsions.  Caffeine is
also an insect poison acting on the nervous system.  In the case of plants
which produce estrogen analogs, these hormones interfere with insect
development.  Plants are 'clever', perhaps more so than people who
intentionally poison themselves with the plant products.  When heart cells
die (as from lack of enough oxygen) they do not normally get replaced by other
cells, same as nerve cells, which have to last a lifetime.  (Brain tumors are
not normally in the nerve cells).  This prevents the development of nerve and
muscle tumors.  Another reason to take very good care of the arteries.
scg
response 75 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 19:33 UTC 1998

I'm assuming there's more to it than just the heart wearing out sooner the
more it does.  Or is it just the regular excersize, which makes the heart work
harder some of the time, does enough to ease the workload on the heart at
other times?
keesan
response 76 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 20:21 UTC 1998

Or could it be that regular exercise increases the ability of the lungs to
provide enough oxygen to the heart at all times?
Anyone in our midst with a medical background?
mary
response 77 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 23:34 UTC 1998

There is some guy out there right now selling a book that
reports every heart is programmed, from birth, for just so many
beats.  So if you use them all up carrying around 100 extra
pounds, hey, your choice. ;-)

Experts tend to see obesity and heart disease from different
perspectives.  Obese people have a higher rate of heart 
disease and death from sudden heart attack than the general
population, but why is disputed.  Some say it is the extra
work expected of the heart to perfuse all that extra tissue.
Others say it is mostly due to the inactive lifestyle of
most obese people.  Some say it is the same genetics that
make you prone to obesity that bundles with it cardiomyopathy
and high cholesterol levels.  About the only thing everyone
agrees with is that you have better odds of living longer
if you're not morbidly obese.
keesan
response 78 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 01:47 UTC 1998

I read that obese people who get lots of exercise are healthier than skinny
people who get little exercise.  The categories of obesity and laziness may
show a statistical overlap, but individuals behave differently than the
statistical picture might predict.
orinoco
response 79 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 04:04 UTC 1998

The problem, really, is that there's some correlation between exercise and
skinniness, so the two are hard to separate as to their benefits.
i
response 80 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 01:43 UTC 1998

So compare sumo wrestlers and skinny couch potatoes.
keesan
response 81 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 00:27 UTC 1998

Color vision is sex-linked.  The gene for seeing red is on the X chromosome,
so men have only one copy.  If it is bad, they can't see any difference
between red and green.  But even more interesting, there are two slightly
different variants of the gene for red vision, so that some women have red
receptors for two slightly different wavelengths.  That lets some women see
more colors than men or other women.  I have heard that women tend to
distinguish between a lot more colors than men, and to use much more explicit
color names, and care more about the colors they wear.  One theory is that
it was more important for women to be able to spot colored fruit, while the
men were out hunting for brown or grey animals.  Fruit is often red, because
that is the color best seen by birds.  (If you don't want the birds to eat
your cherries, grow yellow ones.)
Insects, on the other hand, see yellow, violet, or ultraviolet, and can see
patterns in white flowers that humans cannot.  There is often a pattern
directing them to the center.  
aruba
response 82 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 16:37 UTC 1998

Interesting.  My Mom certainly can distinguish (and remember) colors a lot
better than I can.

If you're out in the woods and looking for some berries to eat, picking red
ones is usually a bad choice.  They are often poisonous.  (At least in North
America.)
keesan
response 83 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 19:30 UTC 1998

But picking green ones (except for gooseberries) means they are unripe.  For
some reason, birds can tolerate berries that people cannot.  These berries
all exist to be eaten by something and therefore distribute the seeds.
        Regarding the X and Y chromosomes, there are other sex-linked diseases,
such as hemophilia, due to one bad copy of the X chromosome (women have two
X's so are less likely not to have at least one good one). 
Glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD) is an X-linked gene, and if you have
no good copies of it you can develop anemia due to enzyme deficiency after
eating fava beans, or coming in contact with mothballs or sulfa antibiotics.
The colorblind problem can be due to the loss of either the red or the green
gene, and in W. Europea about 5 percent of males cannot see green properly
and 1 percent cannot see red.  There is a possible Y-linked trait, passed from
father to son, called hairy pinna (hair all over the ear, but not enough to
make you look like a werewolf.)  The advantage of having a Y chromosome, even
though it is lacking a lot of useful genes, is that it makes the sperm
fractionally lighter so that it can win more races.  Therefore more males are
conceived, to make up for more dying before birth or shortly after.  At birth
there are about 6% more males.  A selfish gene?
iggy
response 84 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 00:30 UTC 1998

sometimes i have a bit of difficulty with the color yellow.
i dont see it as well as i do other colors.
light yellow will sometimes be .. more beige-y or creamy looking.
some shades or orange look pink to me. and some shades
of blue-green look blue to me.

gooseberries do indeed turn a dark color. they are
a lot sweeter then, and make great projectiles as they explode on
contact. best target is a sibling wearing a light colored shirt!
keesan
response 85 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 01:13 UTC 1998

I have never heard about anyone seeing less yellow, how interesting.  Are
there any particular circumstances, such as different kinds of artificial
light, under which you see yellow more poorly.  Maybe you have just a small
amount of the color receptor for yellow because you only have one functional
gene for it?  I wonder if there are any men who don't see yellow at all.
keesan
response 86 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 03:54 UTC 1998

I did some internet research on colorblind (a lot of it is on affirmative
action).  There are three color receptors:  red, yellow-green, and blue.  It
sounds like you either have no green receptor or it does not detect some
wavelengths as well as others.  This would be called green-deficit.  The red
and green receptors have very similar genes on the X chromosome near each
other, and one developed from a faulty mutation of the other.  Monkeys do not
have both, apes including humans do.  My guess is that green reception
developed latest.  I wonder if ethnic groups that have fewer color names have
more colorblind people?  (In English there was originally no distinction
between red and orange, thus redheads with orange hair.  Oranges were named
after the fruit, which was named after a town in Spain.  Similarly, I think
some languages do not distinguish blue and green, maybe you would fit in well
there.  They are hardly necessary for finding berries, or for hunting deer).
See two internet files at /a/k/e/keesan/colorblind and 
/a/d/e/keesan/ColorBlindness.  The second discusses problems of colorblind
people in using color computers.  Colorblind people see better at night, but
may need to wear sunglasses during the daytime to prevent too much light going
to the rods (used for night vision, but maybe they kick in when too little
light is absorved by the color vision cones).  Fascinating subject!  How is
your night vision and do you wear sunglasses often?
scott
response 87 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 13:47 UTC 1998

I guess that I have pretty good color vision.  Once, though, I got tested for
colorblindness because I was having trouble connecting names to colors
accurately.  I have a poor connection between language and sense sections of
my brain...
keesan
response 88 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 15:45 UTC 1998

How interesting!  I would like to know more about the connection.  Is it just
for visual vocabulary?  Can you name tastes or odors or temperatures?  I have
heard that there are people who can name verbs but not nouns.  Do you know
if your 'condition' is at all common, and if so, more common among XYs?
scott
response 89 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 13:35 UTC 1998

No, it's not really a common pattern among any one type of person (although
you could argue that it creates certain types...).  I have a very good grasp
of language, and a great set of ears (hearing plus mental processing), but
often the connection is poor.  I might remember a conversation I have with
somebody, but not their name, or even temporarily forget the name of somebody
I already know.  I can pick up sounds in a language, and also understand the
ltructure, but as for connecting the two... :(
iggy
response 90 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 18:32 UTC 1998

as for me, i have the XX chromosone. :-)
my night vision isnt too good. i think it just takes too long
for my eyes to adjust <or re-adjust> to the dark.
bright light, especially in winter hurts my eyes. i am not fond
of sunglasses, i'd rather squint.
a weird quirk is that really bright light, as reflecting off
snow and wet roads makes me sleepy.
i am also the only one in my birth family that does not
need glasses, this means siblings, parents, and grandparents, and many
of my parent's siblings.


er.. make that 'chromosome' up there...


by the way, does anyone else get sleepy from bright winter light?
keesan
response 91 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 19:34 UTC 1998

re 89, there are people with no connection between their brain hemispheres
who can see or feel an object, describe what to do with it, draw it, etc.,
but not name it if the sensory input is going into the left hand or eye, which
feeds it to the right brain hemisphere, because the left hemisphere (at leasst
in most people, maybe not dyslexics) is responsible for language.  Usually
htere is crossover.  Maybe you have weaker crossover?
        Re 90, sounds like you are lacking some or all of the cones, or sensory
cells, for yellow-green, meaning you are one of those rare colorblind XXs!
There are supposed to be only 0.4% of women and about 8% of men who are
colorblind in any way.  Do you have male relatives who can't see yellow, or
tell aqua from blue?  In particular your father or a brother?  My theory is
that the light which is usually absorved by the cones for green, is not
absorbed and there is therefore too much of it for the other color cones. 
No I have not heard of light making anyone sleepy.  I have heard of Seasonal
Affective Disorder, where the lack of light in the winter makes some people
sleepy because they need light to stimulate hormone production.  I have not
read up on night vision, maybe you need to eat more carrots?  Or maybe you
also have a deficit of rods (that see in low light but only in grey).  Once
you get accustomed to the dark, do you know if you can see better in it that
other people?  It would be an interesting test.
scg
response 92 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 23:33 UTC 1998

I find myself feeling kind of depressed when I'm not around bright lights for
long periods of time, so from what I've read about Seasonal Affective Disorder
it sounds like I may have it.  As long as I spend time in places with bright
lights I'm fine, so it isn't a big problem if I can control the environment
I'm in.  I have found that at my grandpa's house, where he's got big windows
and extremely dim lights, that I'm fine as long as the sun is out, but start
feeling like I don't have any energy at all the moment the sun goes down. 
For some reason, I do a lot better with no light than I do with dim lights.

Having too much light while driving can make it hard to stay awake, perhaps
because dealing with the glare gets tiring.  When I'm driving on a sunny day
I wear sunglasses, and have a much easier time staying alert than without
them.
keesan
response 93 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 04:47 UTC 1998

A housemate of mine who I am sure had SAD was always complaining that there
was not enough light at work, and even got a note from the doctor that told
his employers they had to given him a desk near a window.  He thought it had
something to do with his extreme shortsightedness, that he needed to rest his
eyes on distant objects frequently.  His symptoms were wanting to die and
refusing to get out of bed from about November until the sun started shining
againg in Jan or Feb, then hardly sleeping at all until about June.  ANother
symptom was needing the shades up and two hours of sunlight to wake up.  He
tried medication, and finally moved to sunny California.  Supposedly light
treatments with a very bright specially constructed light, for about half hour
in the morning, will fix the light-related hormone problem.  Theere was a good
book in the library that I got out for the roommate, who always felt better
when he could manage to drag himself out to the sunporch to read about the
problem (the light helped).
        I have found that as I get older the glare at night bothers me.
iggy
response 94 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 15:12 UTC 1998

it isnt that i cant see any yellow, just a few shades of yellow i
have trouble.as far as being able to see better at night once i
have adjusted...hmm. i dont know.
keesan
response 95 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:46 UTC 1998

That article on colorblindness that I mentioned said some people cannot see
certain wavelengths (shades) of some colors.  Have you ever tried looking at
all the computer-available colors to see which ones matched?
mta
response 96 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 21:30 UTC 1998

re: resp:73

Actually current research calls into question the idea that obesity, in and
of itself, causes a strain on the heart.  What does cause a strain on the
heart is a poor diet, low level of fitness, and high levels of stress.

All are common among the obese, but hardly limited to them.  A fit, happy
fat person with a good diet will generally outlive a thin, stressed out
couch potato with a junk food habit.

The biggest culprits are stress and poor diet.  As a matter of fact obese
people have about the same rate of heart disease as poor blacks, fat and thin.
Some research suggests that the two factors that may have the largest
influence on the longevity of fat people are dieting (malnutrition) and
discrimination, which cuts them off from the social support network that all
humans need to remain in top health.
keesan
response 97 of 100: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 00:01 UTC 1998

If someone eats a well-balanced diet, and is not a couch potato, I expect they
will end up at the proper weight for them, which is not necessarily the same
for all of us.  Exceptions would be people with metabolic disorders.
        Re colorblindness, please see coop item #34, proposing a new genetics
conference.  We could talk about genetics and diet, for instance some people
need more of a certain vitamin, or come from an ancestry where periodic
famines were more common, and it was therefore highly advantageous to be able
to store fat.
        Dieting in itself is extremely stressful, making the body think there
is a famine.  If you want to modify your weight, modify the type of food you
eat, and the balance of different nutrients, not just the calorie or fat
count.  You will end up a lot healthier at any weight.  (This has gotten
pretty far afield from the topic, sorry).
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