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Grex > Coop11 > #198: Limit the number of brandnew posts per user per 24hrs in Agora? | |
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md
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response 73 of 157:
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Sep 9 11:56 UTC 2000 |
Re #71 "And why does everybody need to make this an Us & Them idea?
Grex and MNet have always been at least semi-friendly to each other."
There is a fairly sizeable group of "mnetters" who made this an Us &
Them idea, starting at least five months ago (probably longer ago) with
items in the mnet General cf which I've quoted from a couple of times
here on Grex. It surprised even me when I started looking into it;
they are truly obsessed with Grex. I don't know how it started or why,
but there it is. There is, nothing friendly or even semi-friendly in
their feelings about Grex. It extends from the trashers like willard
and people you've seen with pseudos like "Shitdicks for Grex"
and "Grex, it's fagadelic," to the people who cheer them on from the
sidelines. We might not want to think of it in Us & Them terms, but if
you don't face the reality of what's happening you're pretty naive.
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md
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response 74 of 157:
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Sep 9 12:12 UTC 2000 |
Btw, when I say I don't know how it started or why, obviously there's
all the talk on mnet about how grex is dominated by a cliquish, holier-
than-thou, humorless, bunch of hippies, yada yada yada. But I'm as
puzzled by that as you are. It isn't even close, and can't possibly be
the "real" reason for all the animosity. I suspect that for
many "mnetters" it might have something to do with the fact that Grex
has become a kind of refuge for people who've turned their backs on
mnet (which I admit does often resemble one of those horrible chat-
rooms populated by teenagers who are trying to sound cool and
failing). They know they aren't good enough for these ex-mnetters,
which is precisely what it comes down to whether we want to admit it or
not. That kind of thing that will set anyone off. Who the fuck do we
think we are?
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willard
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response 75 of 157:
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Sep 9 12:54 UTC 2000 |
Also, jep is a dork that nobody likes.
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slynne
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response 76 of 157:
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Sep 9 13:08 UTC 2000 |
Wow md. it is like you read my mind. That *is* exactly how I feel. All you
grexers abandoned Mnet and now you're pissed that the folks you thought you
could leave behind have decided to follow you.
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md
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response 77 of 157:
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Sep 9 13:10 UTC 2000 |
75: No, jep is a nice guy. You are a dork that nobody likes.
76: Something about chickens coming home to roost?
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birdy
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response 78 of 157:
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Sep 9 17:46 UTC 2000 |
Actually, I would venture to guess that a lot of Grexers started out as
Grexers. I logged onto M-Net a year later when I found out about it, noted
how it resembled a chatroom full of immature teenagers, decided I didn't fit
in, and didn't go back. I didn't sit there and make fun of it; I just didn't
log on again. Is that really so hard to do?
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md
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response 79 of 157:
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Sep 9 18:51 UTC 2000 |
Um, well, uh, oh jeez, um....YES IT iS!
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gull
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response 80 of 157:
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Sep 9 20:31 UTC 2000 |
Re #76: I'm not an ex-mnetter. In fact, I've never used M-Net.
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birdy
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response 81 of 157:
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Sep 9 20:59 UTC 2000 |
<smirks at #79>
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eeyore
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response 82 of 157:
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Sep 9 22:37 UTC 2000 |
I did try M-net a couple of times. It wasnt' to my liking, so I didn't go
back. Doesn't bug me any, since I don't expect everybody to like Grex.
You know, we could probably solve this better if people left out the snide
childish comments.
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scg
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response 83 of 157:
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Sep 9 23:09 UTC 2000 |
I tried M-Net once, but I didn't inhale. ;)
Actually, I've used M-Net and Grex both at times. I generally found more of
my sort of culture on Grex than on M-Net, so I've become far more of a Grexer
than an M-Netter, but I don't think either system is evil, nor do I think the
users of either system are.
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krj
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response 84 of 157:
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Sep 9 23:12 UTC 2000 |
md's resp:73, discussing the formation of the war party on M-net,
is absolutely in accordance with my own observations. The only difference
is that md is reading the anti-Grex campaign by digging through
historical General conferences there, while I saw it develop in real
time through reading the conference every day.
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jp2
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response 85 of 157:
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Sep 10 00:27 UTC 2000 |
This response has been erased.
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slynne
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response 86 of 157:
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Sep 10 03:35 UTC 2000 |
re resp:84 It isnt as if there havent been similar conversations on
grex...especially in party. I usually shrug it off because who cares if *some*
mnetters hate grex or if *some* grexers hate mnet? The people I care about
like me for the most part.
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krj
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response 87 of 157:
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Sep 10 04:26 UTC 2000 |
Ooops, big difference. The conversations on Grex revolve around how
screwed up M-net is; they haven't involved encouraging raiding parties
to go over to M-net and attack it.
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russ
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response 88 of 157:
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Sep 10 05:08 UTC 2000 |
There would be one really nice side-effect of getting a restraining
order against willard, twinkie, and the rest. Nice for M-Net, anyway.
They'd have to *stay* on M-Net, and they'd have to take an interest in
its survival if they wanted to have a place to play. They might actually
have to think about how they affect it. Sure can't hurt it... or them.
The stuff that willard, iggy and slynne are dumping in Agora is mostly
noise, worthless. There have been times when there was so much of it
that it amounted to a denial-of-service attack (and still does, from the
response of some people). A restraining order would benefit us too.
Willard, get lost. (Will he? I doubt it. But it'll be fun to see if
he's a man of his word, or just another liar.)
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birdy
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response 89 of 157:
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Sep 10 06:04 UTC 2000 |
I can't believe #88 was actually entered.
How ridiculous. A *restraining order*? Because you don't like their posts?
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eeyore
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response 90 of 157:
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Sep 10 06:12 UTC 2000 |
Nobody is required to like or agree to all of the posts. *COPE*
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md
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response 91 of 157:
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Sep 10 12:42 UTC 2000 |
I agree a restraining order sounds kind of lame. Suing them would be
way more fun. That's why I wanted the Grex honchos to mention the very
serious denial of service attack when they talk to their lawyer, which
they were going to do about something else which I forget. (Oh yeah,
it was the Grex "erase" command that doesn't actually do anything only
most users don't realize it.) A lawsuit might seem farfetched, but I
figured, you know, as long as they were seeing a lawyer anyway why not
mention the situation? You never know what will make a lawyer
say "Hmmm." I mean, I wouldn't make a special trip for it, but since
they were going to be in the lawyer's office anyway, y'know?
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willard
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response 92 of 157:
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Sep 10 13:15 UTC 2000 |
Denial of service my ass. Agora is not any less usable than it has
ever been. In fact, I would argue that it is 'enhanced' by the
contributions of its newcomers, myself included. There is a much
wider array of discussion available.
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md
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response 93 of 157:
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Sep 10 13:50 UTC 2000 |
Just a thought. You know, since they're going to be there anyway.
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md
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response 94 of 157:
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Sep 10 14:07 UTC 2000 |
I don't know if you have to show intent in these things. But is so,
there's this, among other things:
#129 of 227 by James Howard (jp2) on Tue Jun 6 23:06:26 2000:
I say we should turn Agora into a rotting pit of slime like
General. Or has it already started? I'm not reading it.
#130 of 227 by Mike (willard) on Tue Jun 6 23:39:58 2000:
I'm working on it. Come help.
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md
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response 95 of 157:
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Sep 10 14:08 UTC 2000 |
Since they're gonna be there anyway, right?
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willard
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response 96 of 157:
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Sep 10 14:11 UTC 2000 |
Definitely. Especially since everyone knows we were joking, and that
we'd never do anything to hurt our friendly granola-eating neighbors.
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md
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response 97 of 157:
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Sep 10 15:18 UTC 2000 |
Just a thought.
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