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jep
response 7 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 03:19 UTC 2011

re resp:5: You should check it out, denise.  I think you would feel at
home there.

re resp:6: I'm not even sure if the two systems could read each other's
item formats any more.

Thanks for your replies, Dan.  I appreciate them, even if they aren't
what I was hoping to see.
nharmon
response 8 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 03:39 UTC 2011

Just put the conference files on dropbox and share between the two systems.

(just kidding)

I thought the conference systems had database backends? Is it really
just flat files? Eww.
cross
response 9 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 04:50 UTC 2011

Nope.  Just flat text files.
nharmon
response 10 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 13:48 UTC 2011

I know very little about the conferencing system. But if you were looking to sync up text files on two systems, couldn't you use rsync or lsyncd, or something like that?
jep
response 11 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 17:19 UTC 2011

It might be easiest if I were to just put a link in the intro to the 
conference, offering people the option to go to M-Net for the sports 
conference.  They'd need an ID on M-Net, and there'd be no backup of the 
items on a 2nd system, but it would be simple and easy.  There aren't that 
many people on the two systems combined to make it worth a lot of trouble.
nharmon
response 12 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 19:19 UTC 2011

There would be the issue of two different people using the same login,
one on Grex and the other on M-Net.

Oh hell, just combine the two systems and get it over with. :)
cross
response 13 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 22:26 UTC 2011

I'd be in support of combining the two.
jep
response 14 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 04:30 UTC 2011

I might support that, but there are things I'd want to see happen as
part of it.  I couldn't bear to see the M-Net name vanish.  I couldn't
bear to have the name "Cyberspace Communications" continue, either.

I didn't start this item to promote combining M-Net and Grex.

I've said for years I think it would be a good thing to combine
operations but there is some very firm opposition to the idea over on
the M-Net side of the world.  There's no organization left for Arbornet.
 It would be easy to take it over for the purpose of merging with Grex.
 I wouldn't be willing to force the issue against those who hate the
idea so much.  I don't see it would be worth doing.  Those who most
against it are some of the longest standing users left on M-Net.

I hope both systems can continue to limp along for a while longer. 
They've been doing it for 20 years, gradually fading a little more each
year, but never quite vanishing completely.
cross
response 15 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 06:31 UTC 2011

They'll each die an assymptotic death; probably grex before m-net.

The way forward is probably to combine operations in such a way that the
two communities are preserved on a single system.
jep
response 16 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 17:31 UTC 2011

It's been discussed in the past.  Given that you and tonster are the 
active sysadmins for both systems, it seems like it would make sense from 
a technical perspective.  Also a financial perspective (though M-Net 
currently has no expenses at all, which is good because it also has no 
income).

There's much political flak for any collaboration from a minority of vocal 
users on M-Net.  That's what I was referring to yesterday.  I can think of 
ways to force the issue, but not without offending that minority.
cross
response 17 of 21: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 20:34 UTC 2011

There's similar potential for flak from a small yet vocal set of Grex users,
most of whom are more or less uninvolved in the day to day operations of the
system.  Most of the conflict stems from decades old differences that just
don't seem relevant anymore.
richard
response 18 of 21: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 00:34 UTC 2011

grex and mnet *sharing* a conference?  might be a good idea, but dave 
cahill would probably say, 'over my dead body' and scare the others on 
mnet from agreeing.   
cross
response 19 of 21: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 06:10 UTC 2011

He doesn't seem active on M-Net anymore.
jep
response 20 of 21: Mark Unseen   Dec 15 23:59 UTC 2011

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jep
response 21 of 21: Mark Unseen   Dec 15 23:59 UTC 2011

Oops, my resp:20 was posted in error.  Sorry!
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