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Grex > Coop11 > #71: Minutes for the Grex 1/26/99 Board Meeting | |
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rcurl
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response 66 of 75:
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Feb 15 19:14 UTC 1999 |
The only Welty book currently sold by the University of Wisconsin Center
for Cooperatives is MARKETING MEMBER INVOLVEMENT -- The American
Experience. (They don't offer RRoO either.) Welty is described as
"popular American writer on membership and board topics", however. In
searching the UWCC site, I found regulations of the ICA. They say that
"time, venue, and themes (replaces agenda and procedures)" will be used in
organizing their meetings. So, shall the Grex board abandon having an
agenda, and just discuss "themes"? Themes can also be numbered in funny
ways....
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steve
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response 67 of 75:
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Feb 15 22:42 UTC 1999 |
No. The board has never expressed interest in RRO, but neither
has it been interested in simple chaos. It isn't that we dislike
rules--far from it, since technical people live by rules (protocols,
instruction sets, etc)--but that in the course of our interactions
we haven't seen the need to increase the rules beyond a simple level.
It only now occurs to me that Grex's operation adopts the KISS
principal: Kiss It Simple Stupid. A simple yet often overlooked
philosophical statement which programmers use (and elsewhere?),
which seems to apply to Grex's way of conduction business. Yes,
we use the beginning parts of RRO. That layer of the protocol has
served us well.
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response 68 of 75:
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Feb 16 01:44 UTC 1999 |
Looks like STeve is set on spoiling Rane's fun..... :)
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rcurl
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response 69 of 75:
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Feb 16 05:32 UTC 1999 |
Actually, I've enjoyed STeve's pleasant arguing style in this case, and
I think we have both been rather moderate in the discussion. He, of course,
is a (very) oldtimer in Grex, and likes keeping doing things the way he
always has. I'm a relative newcomer and outsider, with much experience
in non-profit management. We just have different perspectives on the
fundamental necessities of how best to organize the management of a
non-profit corporation.
That's KEEP it Simple Stupid. However, it isn't simple when the rules
are just in people's heads and cannot be discovered anywhere in order
to know how to function - except by doing what the traditional board
members do. I find that a rather suppressive atmosphere.
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steve
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response 70 of 75:
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Feb 16 12:51 UTC 1999 |
I've kept doing things the way I am here because I've not seen a
better way (yet). If and when I do, I'll change--anything that can
be done in a better way management wise, I'm all for.
OK, KEEP it Simple Stupid. I've seen it said that way, too.
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tpryan
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response 71 of 75:
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Feb 19 23:04 UTC 1999 |
Why are there only 3 voices in this weeks responses to this
item?
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steve
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response 72 of 75:
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Feb 20 05:02 UTC 1999 |
Probably because only three people thought it worthwhile to talk
about. ;-)
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srw
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response 73 of 75:
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Mar 15 18:09 UTC 1999 |
Yup it was yet another RRoo debate, and I have heard it all before, so I
didn't even bother to read it.
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rcurl
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response 74 of 75:
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Mar 15 21:19 UTC 1999 |
Boy, if everyone declined to read subjects that they have "heard it all
before" here, there would not be much discussion.... 8^}
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lilmo
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response 75 of 75:
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Apr 14 01:31 UTC 1999 |
Re #69 & 70: I didn't even notice that it WASN'T "Keep" the first time. I've
never EVER seen it any other way (except in parody), so I kind of glossed over
it. Not having been to a Grex board meeting (1-1.5k being too long a
commute), I can't comment on whether more RRO would seem appropriate, but I
find that I lean towards STeve's apparent position: when we need more, we'll
have the good sense to go out and get it. The grexers I know (esp. baff) seem
to be the sort that would do what they could to help anyone lost in their
procedures to get done what they wanted to do, if there was any difficulty.
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