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mrmat
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response 65 of 89:
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Jul 25 03:46 UTC 1998 |
Hi to anyone still interested in this conference. I'm interested in
Military History in general, like the Civil War, WWI, WW2. Political history
is also interesting, past Presidential Elections.
Here's something new, what do people think of the recently released video of
the Zapruder film? Has anyone seen it yet? Would you buy it? Should everyone
have a copy in their video collection?
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anne
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response 66 of 89:
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Jul 27 18:27 UTC 1998 |
I'm interested in history (hell, I have a BA in it) but I'm not into
Military history. :( IU'm more into social. (We're talking Medieval
and Renassaince Europe)
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mrmat
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response 67 of 89:
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Jul 28 00:44 UTC 1998 |
Oh, I'm interested in other general history as well, though I focus alot on
the Western civilization side. I had what they called a "concentration" in
history, besides my BA in Journalism. Not quite a minor in the field.
I'm currently re-reading William L. Shirer's *The Collapse of the Third
Republic*, his chronical of the social, political and military factors that
led to the quick fall of the French to the Nazis in 1940.
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anne
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response 68 of 89:
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Jul 28 15:06 UTC 1998 |
Hmm, sounds interesting. As I said, I tend to go back a few hundred
years, or more. ;)
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happyboy
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response 69 of 89:
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Jul 28 19:00 UTC 1998 |
any body 'sides me ever read any
john prebble? i'm looking for
a cupple of his books...
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mrmat
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response 70 of 89:
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Jul 29 00:50 UTC 1998 |
Yeah, I've got to go back and check out some older periods, I've been focusing
too much on the 19th and 20th centuries lately.
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birdy
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response 71 of 89:
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Sep 8 13:04 UTC 2000 |
Whoa...dead conf. =)
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rcurl
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response 72 of 89:
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Sep 8 16:54 UTC 2000 |
Well, it IS the HISTORY conference, like in, "It's History".
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jerrybriardy
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response 73 of 89:
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Aug 7 05:57 UTC 2005 |
This is a pretty old conference so I don't know if anyone is still reading
it. I am working on my bachelors in computer science and have always loved
history. The community college I went to is in Omaha, Nebraska. It is the
former army fort Fort Omaha. It is from t his fort that the soldiers that went
to relieve Custer after the little big horn left. The old stables are now the
school automotive repair lab. I had programming classes in the old
headquarters building. I used to think about that a lot when we were studying
C++. President Grant and General Sherman both stayed there at one point in
time. General Crook was in charge back then.
The trial of Chief Standing Bear took place in Omaha and it is there that they
imprisoned him and his followers. If you recall, this is the trial where
Native Americans gained status as American citizens.
At one point the base was the main American balloon observation post. During
the Second World War it was a prison camp for Italians.
Anyway, it is a very interesting place that has a history museum on site as
well as historical markers all over the campus. It was a great place to go
to school. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen too.
Well, that is it for now I guess. For a guy like me that loves computers and
loves history, this is a great place.
P.S. They say the old campus is haunted. I have heard that on certain nights
you can see soldiers in World War I uniforms marching on the north side of
the campus. They also say the old officers barracks is extremely haunted and
even in the daytime you can hear voices and footsteps when there are no people
there. I did some work study in these buildings and it did seem pretty weird.
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rcurl
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response 74 of 89:
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Aug 7 18:05 UTC 2005 |
Do you believe that any place can be "haunted"? I would think that would be
antithetical to an interest in truth in history.
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cmcgee
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response 75 of 89:
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Aug 12 14:24 UTC 2005 |
rcurl, many people believe that there is more information included in the term
"truth" than you do. Your belief system excludes a lot of information that
others try to take into account in coming up with "the truth".
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rcurl
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response 76 of 89:
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Aug 12 17:52 UTC 2005 |
You make "truth" sound pretty fungible. That is convenient for supporting
one's own personal beliefs as "truth", but it isn't "truth" that can be tested
and verified by objective means. The word "truth" loses all meaning when it
can be anything one wants. I suggest using the term "personal belief" when
the word "truth" is inappropriate.
I used the phrase "truth in history". There is only one "truth in history",
which is an accurate record of events.
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twenex
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response 77 of 89:
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Aug 12 18:38 UTC 2005 |
Then there's no "truth in history". History is written by the winners, not
the truth-tellers.
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cmcgee
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response 78 of 89:
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Aug 12 23:12 UTC 2005 |
And exactly whose eye-witness account is the "only one 'truth in history'"?
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rcurl
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response 79 of 89:
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Aug 13 05:31 UTC 2005 |
Those that are historically correct.
Actually, while some history may be written by the winners, over time history
is corrected by the scholars.
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twenex
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response 80 of 89:
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Aug 13 22:51 UTC 2005 |
You're obviously forgetting that scholars can disagree on many points. Not
everyone has to have your black and white view of everything.
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rcurl
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response 81 of 89:
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Aug 14 07:31 UTC 2005 |
As I said *over time* history is corrected by scholars. What disagreement
today is there about the history of Eqypt that is not caused by lack
of information?
The only "black and white" perspective I have on history is that *there
was only one course of history*, and it is only our ignorance that leads
to disagreements about it.
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gracel
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response 82 of 89:
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Aug 14 19:23 UTC 2005 |
The term "history" is also used not only for specific descriptions of what
happened but also for generalizations about what happened, and discussions
of why it happened, etc. -- these are fertile ground for disagreements.
And of course, the one course of history looks different from different
places while it's running, and no written history can include all the
different views.
As for "haunted", I would just wonder what jerrybriardy meant by "did
seem pretty weird." He didn't claim the place was haunted, only that
it was alleged to be.
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jadecat
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response 83 of 89:
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Oct 6 16:07 UTC 2005 |
As this conference seems to be haunted... It does rather amaze me to run
across comments I made 10 years ago.
Often ghost stories can provide useful bits of history- and as is
mentioned in #82- if someone truly says 'it's said that this place is
haunted' they're speaking the truth. However that doesn't mean the place
IS haunted.
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tod
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response 84 of 89:
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Nov 4 19:48 UTC 2005 |
History is *corrected* by scholars? I don't buy that.
Events are told through generations and facts and figures are skewed over
time. You can try to explain what the assassination of JFK was like but its
not going to be the same story told by someone that hears 2nd hand. Several
generations later, you're stuck with Oliver Stone's rendition.
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gracel
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response 85 of 89:
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Nov 20 19:19 UTC 2005 |
Maybe after several millennia, we'll be stuck with Oliver Stone's
rendition because somebody saved it as a horrible example of something.
But for the nearer future we'll continue to have other versions, no
two identical.
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jadecat
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response 86 of 89:
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Nov 23 19:06 UTC 2005 |
I'm not sure we'll ever be stuck with just Oliver Stone's version- there
are too many other movies and so on that try to tell the same story- odd
are those will survive as well.
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bhelliom
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response 87 of 89:
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Sep 22 15:47 UTC 2008 |
I hope I can contribute and put a little life back into this conference.
Of course, I have no idea how much traffic Grex gets these days.
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jadecat
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response 88 of 89:
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Sep 24 13:36 UTC 2008 |
It gets a bit, and from time to time it's possible to breathe new life
into the conferences. :)
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papa
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response 89 of 89:
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Sep 17 01:43 UTC 2018 |
Grex History Conference
I've dug down through decades of backlogged posts and found the History
conference! This looks interesting, especially since it now preserves the
history of discussions of history.
resp:26 Not history, but I was interested by a recent review of ARMSTRONG
by H.W. Crocker III, a humorous alternate history about Custer. https://ww
w.theamericanconservative.com/birzer/what-if-custer-were-a-lone-surv ivor/
resp:40 resp: 42 These posts are a gem of a time capsule! Thousands for a
college degree? I think today in-state tuition will set you back several tens
of thousands, and out-of-state and private colleges over one hundred thou.
Imperialism? As we now know in this enlightened 21st century, of course it's
always about imperialism! And sexism, racism, ableism, homophobia,
transphobia, islamophobia, and whatever other evil the dead straight Christian
white men have been conspiring in. ;)
resp:61 Isn't "contemporary history" an oxymoron? I know it's an actual
thing, but to me it seems that if it's contemporary, it's really just news --
history takes at least a few decades/generations to digest.
resp:73 and onward. Interesting 2005 discussion of ghosts and the nature of
truth in history.
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