response 63 of 157:

Sep 8 19:12 UTC 2000

I kind of think md is adding a bit of charm to Mnet

response 65 of 157:

Sep 8 19:46 UTC 2000

Some of his items are actually interesting.. he's failing to meet the Willard
Standard of item entry.

response 69 of 157:

Sep 9 04:24 UTC 2000

My assumption has been that the "mnetters" (with a couple of humorless 
exceptions) are finding my items and responses hilarious, but don't 
want it to show.  Foolish pride, etc.  All I can say is, *I* giggle 
over some of the stuff I enter as I'm typing it, which in my case is 
always a good sign.  In any case, jep, I am not "imitating willard" or 
anything stupid like that.  I'm still me.

response 71 of 157:

Sep 9 04:54 UTC 2000

Sara made a good point about 30 responses ago: What makes anybody think that
Agora is easy on any newuser....EVER?  It's large, scary, unwieldy, and full
of lots of things that are just not interesting to everybody.  Oh well.  Quite
frankly, at any time I can have at least 50 items in Agora under a non-forget
flag....probably a better percentage than any of my other conferances.  I like
it *because* it shows what a different batch of people we are...from our good
moods, to our bad moods, to happy and sad, through humor twisted and straight.

But I think that if I was a newuser, and I was reading this Agora for the
first time, I would be scared.  Probably enough to not want to ever come
back.  Because what if I did or said something that others did not like.  Then
they'd start roasting me!!!  And that would make me leave.

At this point, I have to say that I'm really saddned by this whole debate.
First, that we would come down to the idea of actually limiting something.
I really feel a strong sense of "Limit the people I don't like, but don't
limit me!" coming from a lot of you.  The world doesn't work like that.  Over
many years, a lot of people have worked very hard to make Grex what it is:
A large group of people that come together to talk, post and discuss many
different ideas with an open mind and heart.  Our goal has always been to be
as open as possible, to the point that we are currently working on a court
battle for Free Speech.  What hyppocrites we are if we want to say whatever
we want, but want to cut back on the people that annoy us.

Russ's idea of shutting out the ip's of "Offenders" is appalling.  What is
considered an offense?  And why do we feel that we have the right to shut
somebody down for speaking freely?

And why does everybody need to make this an Us & Them idea?  Grex and MNet
have always been at least semi-friendly to each other.  All out war is
becomeing a little irritating.

Fine, Willards posts tend to irritate me.  But I have no right to make him
stop posting them on Grex.  It is his privilage to do so.  Quite frankly,
there are several other people who's posts irritate me.  I'm sure that mine
irritate some people.  Oh well.

People that keep saying "Oh, ignore him, he'll go away"......well geuss
what....if you would shut up about it, maybe the posts would stop.

Hell, maybe he'd be less irritating in his posts if we treated him the way
we would anybody else.  Like a Grexer.  'Cause that's what he is.

And quite frankly, at this point, I would much rather read his stuff, then
all of the "Real Grexers" who are too busy backstabbing each other and MNet.

                Grow Up

response 73 of 157:

Sep 9 11:56 UTC 2000

Re #71 "And why does everybody need to make this an Us & Them idea?  
Grex and MNet have always been at least semi-friendly to each other."  

There is a fairly sizeable group of "mnetters" who made this an Us & 
Them idea, starting at least five months ago (probably longer ago) with 
items in the mnet General cf which I've quoted from a couple of times 
here on Grex.  It surprised even me when I started looking into it; 
they are truly obsessed with Grex.  I don't know how it started or why, 
but there it is.  There is, nothing friendly or even semi-friendly in 
their feelings about Grex.  It extends from the trashers like willard 
and people you've seen with pseudos like "Shitdicks for Grex" 
and "Grex, it's fagadelic," to the people who cheer them on from the 
sidelines.  We might not want to think of it in Us & Them terms, but if 
you don't face the reality of what's happening you're pretty naive.

response 75 of 157:

Sep 9 12:54 UTC 2000

Also, jep is a dork that nobody likes.

response 77 of 157:

Sep 9 13:10 UTC 2000

75: No, jep is a nice guy.  You are a dork that nobody likes.

76: Something about chickens coming home to roost?

response 79 of 157:

Sep 9 18:51 UTC 2000

Um, well, uh, oh jeez, um....YES IT iS!

response 81 of 157:

Sep 9 20:59 UTC 2000

<smirks at #79>

response 83 of 157:

Sep 9 23:09 UTC 2000

I tried M-Net once, but I didn't inhale. ;)

Actually, I've used M-Net and Grex both at times.  I generally found more of
my sort of culture on Grex than on M-Net, so I've become far more of a Grexer
than an M-Netter, but I don't think either system is evil, nor do I think the
users of either system are.