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Grex > Coop11 > #198: Limit the number of brandnew posts per user per 24hrs in Agora? | |
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jep
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response 60 of 157:
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Sep 8 17:45 UTC 2000 |
re #53: From whom would you accept being told to leave?
re #46: You haven't spent as much time and effort on it as willard has,
but you have entered dozens of items using the same format, and with
similar apparent intent (annoying people into not using the conference
you're vandalizing). It's easier to forget items from the WWW interface
on M-Net than it is here, because M-Net is a lot faster. That's why
you're less annoying. But your retaliatory behavior is as childish as
willard's behavior. I haven't noticed any significant differences.
I've admired you for years for your expression and creativity, more than
I have all but a very few people on-line. Oh, well. Life goes on.
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jep
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response 61 of 157:
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Sep 8 17:53 UTC 2000 |
I am very much against blocking IP addresses or anything else like that.
We're open. There have always been some people who can't resist a cheap
opportunity to try to ruin things for others, due to their own
inadequacies. That's just one of the risks of being open.
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willard
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response 62 of 157:
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Sep 8 18:54 UTC 2000 |
Nobody likes you, jep.
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slynne
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response 63 of 157:
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Sep 8 19:12 UTC 2000 |
I kind of think md is adding a bit of charm to Mnet
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willard
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response 64 of 157:
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Sep 8 19:18 UTC 2000 |
Yeah, I kinda like him.
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ric
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response 65 of 157:
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Sep 8 19:46 UTC 2000 |
Some of his items are actually interesting.. he's failing to meet the Willard
Standard of item entry.
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willard
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response 66 of 157:
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Sep 8 19:48 UTC 2000 |
Hey, dickwad, some of my items are interesting. :-)
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jp2
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response 67 of 157:
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Sep 8 19:57 UTC 2000 |
This response has been erased.
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other
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response 68 of 157:
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Sep 9 03:23 UTC 2000 |
my initial response to this item is the same as my response to most (not all)
of willard's agora items:
forget
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md
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response 69 of 157:
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Sep 9 04:24 UTC 2000 |
My assumption has been that the "mnetters" (with a couple of humorless
exceptions) are finding my items and responses hilarious, but don't
want it to show. Foolish pride, etc. All I can say is, *I* giggle
over some of the stuff I enter as I'm typing it, which in my case is
always a good sign. In any case, jep, I am not "imitating willard" or
anything stupid like that. I'm still me.
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jmsaul
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response 70 of 157:
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Sep 9 04:32 UTC 2000 |
I like md's items.
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eeyore
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response 71 of 157:
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Sep 9 04:54 UTC 2000 |
Sara made a good point about 30 responses ago: What makes anybody think that
Agora is easy on any newuser....EVER? It's large, scary, unwieldy, and full
of lots of things that are just not interesting to everybody. Oh well. Quite
frankly, at any time I can have at least 50 items in Agora under a non-forget
flag....probably a better percentage than any of my other conferances. I like
it *because* it shows what a different batch of people we are...from our good
moods, to our bad moods, to happy and sad, through humor twisted and straight.
But I think that if I was a newuser, and I was reading this Agora for the
first time, I would be scared. Probably enough to not want to ever come
back. Because what if I did or said something that others did not like. Then
they'd start roasting me!!! And that would make me leave.
At this point, I have to say that I'm really saddned by this whole debate.
First, that we would come down to the idea of actually limiting something.
I really feel a strong sense of "Limit the people I don't like, but don't
limit me!" coming from a lot of you. The world doesn't work like that. Over
many years, a lot of people have worked very hard to make Grex what it is:
A large group of people that come together to talk, post and discuss many
different ideas with an open mind and heart. Our goal has always been to be
as open as possible, to the point that we are currently working on a court
battle for Free Speech. What hyppocrites we are if we want to say whatever
we want, but want to cut back on the people that annoy us.
Russ's idea of shutting out the ip's of "Offenders" is appalling. What is
considered an offense? And why do we feel that we have the right to shut
somebody down for speaking freely?
And why does everybody need to make this an Us & Them idea? Grex and MNet
have always been at least semi-friendly to each other. All out war is
becomeing a little irritating.
Fine, Willards posts tend to irritate me. But I have no right to make him
stop posting them on Grex. It is his privilage to do so. Quite frankly,
there are several other people who's posts irritate me. I'm sure that mine
irritate some people. Oh well.
People that keep saying "Oh, ignore him, he'll go away"......well geuss
what....if you would shut up about it, maybe the posts would stop.
Hell, maybe he'd be less irritating in his posts if we treated him the way
we would anybody else. Like a Grexer. 'Cause that's what he is.
And quite frankly, at this point, I would much rather read his stuff, then
all of the "Real Grexers" who are too busy backstabbing each other and MNet.
Grow Up
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birdy
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response 72 of 157:
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Sep 9 06:34 UTC 2000 |
I'm in total agreement.
Also, way back there, someone brought up the excellent point that if we did
block an IP addy, other people would suffer.
This whole thing is stupid and ill-contrived. Just use your silly forget
command. That's what it's there for. Or stop reading Agora. Some people
actually like Willard, so who made you the person to decide who gets to post
things? Some people hate me as much as you hate Willard. It's called Life.
Get a helmet.
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md
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response 73 of 157:
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Sep 9 11:56 UTC 2000 |
Re #71 "And why does everybody need to make this an Us & Them idea?
Grex and MNet have always been at least semi-friendly to each other."
There is a fairly sizeable group of "mnetters" who made this an Us &
Them idea, starting at least five months ago (probably longer ago) with
items in the mnet General cf which I've quoted from a couple of times
here on Grex. It surprised even me when I started looking into it;
they are truly obsessed with Grex. I don't know how it started or why,
but there it is. There is, nothing friendly or even semi-friendly in
their feelings about Grex. It extends from the trashers like willard
and people you've seen with pseudos like "Shitdicks for Grex"
and "Grex, it's fagadelic," to the people who cheer them on from the
sidelines. We might not want to think of it in Us & Them terms, but if
you don't face the reality of what's happening you're pretty naive.
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md
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response 74 of 157:
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Sep 9 12:12 UTC 2000 |
Btw, when I say I don't know how it started or why, obviously there's
all the talk on mnet about how grex is dominated by a cliquish, holier-
than-thou, humorless, bunch of hippies, yada yada yada. But I'm as
puzzled by that as you are. It isn't even close, and can't possibly be
the "real" reason for all the animosity. I suspect that for
many "mnetters" it might have something to do with the fact that Grex
has become a kind of refuge for people who've turned their backs on
mnet (which I admit does often resemble one of those horrible chat-
rooms populated by teenagers who are trying to sound cool and
failing). They know they aren't good enough for these ex-mnetters,
which is precisely what it comes down to whether we want to admit it or
not. That kind of thing that will set anyone off. Who the fuck do we
think we are?
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willard
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response 75 of 157:
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Sep 9 12:54 UTC 2000 |
Also, jep is a dork that nobody likes.
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slynne
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response 76 of 157:
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Sep 9 13:08 UTC 2000 |
Wow md. it is like you read my mind. That *is* exactly how I feel. All you
grexers abandoned Mnet and now you're pissed that the folks you thought you
could leave behind have decided to follow you.
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md
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response 77 of 157:
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Sep 9 13:10 UTC 2000 |
75: No, jep is a nice guy. You are a dork that nobody likes.
76: Something about chickens coming home to roost?
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birdy
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response 78 of 157:
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Sep 9 17:46 UTC 2000 |
Actually, I would venture to guess that a lot of Grexers started out as
Grexers. I logged onto M-Net a year later when I found out about it, noted
how it resembled a chatroom full of immature teenagers, decided I didn't fit
in, and didn't go back. I didn't sit there and make fun of it; I just didn't
log on again. Is that really so hard to do?
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md
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response 79 of 157:
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Sep 9 18:51 UTC 2000 |
Um, well, uh, oh jeez, um....YES IT iS!
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gull
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response 80 of 157:
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Sep 9 20:31 UTC 2000 |
Re #76: I'm not an ex-mnetter. In fact, I've never used M-Net.
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birdy
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response 81 of 157:
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Sep 9 20:59 UTC 2000 |
<smirks at #79>
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eeyore
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response 82 of 157:
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Sep 9 22:37 UTC 2000 |
I did try M-net a couple of times. It wasnt' to my liking, so I didn't go
back. Doesn't bug me any, since I don't expect everybody to like Grex.
You know, we could probably solve this better if people left out the snide
childish comments.
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scg
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response 83 of 157:
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Sep 9 23:09 UTC 2000 |
I tried M-Net once, but I didn't inhale. ;)
Actually, I've used M-Net and Grex both at times. I generally found more of
my sort of culture on Grex than on M-Net, so I've become far more of a Grexer
than an M-Netter, but I don't think either system is evil, nor do I think the
users of either system are.
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krj
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response 84 of 157:
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Sep 9 23:12 UTC 2000 |
md's resp:73, discussing the formation of the war party on M-net,
is absolutely in accordance with my own observations. The only difference
is that md is reading the anti-Grex campaign by digging through
historical General conferences there, while I saw it develop in real
time through reading the conference every day.
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