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happyboy
response 57 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 18:18 UTC 2006

rapture, a belief that didn't start until the 1840's.
tod
response 58 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 18:28 UTC 2006

I never heard of it til that Blondie album
happyboy
response 59 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 19:00 UTC 2006

oh yeah!
rcurl
response 60 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 19:44 UTC 2006

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American Civil Liberties Union
ACLU FREEDOM FILES ON COURT TV
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=x0Rn93plAsLLvQkABcCr7Q..
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Dear Friend,

Six months ago, the ACLU launched a ground-breaking, 10-part series, The 
ACLU Freedom Files, on satellite Link TV. Now, we are thrilled to announce 
that a major television network, Court TV, will be airing this 
critically-acclaimed series as part of its "In Pursuit of Justice" 
program.

The first Court TV episode, The ACLU Freedom Files: Religious Freedom, 
will broadcast on Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 12:00 p.m. I'll be a 
guest on Catherine Crier Live on Court TV today at 5:00 PM ET/PT 
(appearing in the later half of the show) -- if you can I hope you'll tune 
in.

As an involved supporter of our work, I'm sure you realize that the ACLU 
must engage a broad cross-section of the country in protecting our 
fundamental freedoms from a sustained governmental assault. That is what 
makes our Freedom Files series so essential and the opportunity to reach 
out to a substantial new audience on Court TV so exciting.

I hope you'll not only watch the Freedom Files on Court TV but also become 
a participant in the success of our vision of "information activism" -- 
fostering grassroots activism online and offline through the power of the 
moving media of television and the Internet.

Religious freedom is one of the lynchpins of our democracy, and it is no 
accident that this is the first show we've picked to run on Court TV. 
While the right of every American to practice his or her religion is among 
the most fundamental of freedoms, religious freedom is at risk on many 
fronts in the United States, home to 1,500 different faiths. We believe 
that the stories of real people who struggle to freely practice their 
faith will help more people understand the importance of religious freedom 
than any civics lesson ever could.

Religious Freedom will introduce you to people whose religious traditions 
were threatened and whose homes were terrorized. And you'll also go to the 
front lines of intelligent design - one of the most heated social 
controversies in recent history. Learn more about the stories featured in 
the episode: http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=TQGp6oVhTF_MxGKP3labWQ..

There are several ways you can join our information activism movement to 
protect civil liberties:

:: Watch the series on Court TV, Link TV or online.

:: Join the Producers Club - If you participate in our information 
activism network, plan house parties and share the series with friends and 
family, you can get free DVDs by joining the Producers Club: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=pOP_dVYYyBIOydWsKZrflA..

I hope you'll mark your calendar -- or set your VCR -- for our Court TV 
premiere Saturday. And please tune in for future episodes.

Thank you for standing with us and supporting this new initiative.

Sincerely,

Anthony D. Romero Executive Director American Civil Liberties Union

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IN THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM EPISODE, YOU'LL MEET:

:: Parents from the Dover, Pennsylvania "Intelligent Design" case that was 
successfully argued by the ACLU last fall.

:: Joann Bell, a devout Christian, who saw her family terrorized and her 
home firebombed because she didn't want one religion favored over another.

:: Abbey Moler, a high school valedictorian who took on her school 
district when the Bible verse she chose for her yearbook page was omitted 
against her will.

...and many other brave individuals who have fought for religious freedom.

Watch the Trailer: Freedom, Faith and the Founders (in Windows Media 
Format): http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=HjF4-t7K8qe2zMjIOMLpJw..

Also available in Quicktime: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=xJlYYopQIflIVg-4j_l2pg..

Get Involved: Tell 5 friends about the show and the ACLU will send you a 
free Freedom Files DVD: ttp://action.aclu.org/site/Ecard?ecard_id=2061
nharmon
response 61 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 19:58 UTC 2006

> Abbey Moler, a high school valedictorian who took on her school district 
> when the Bible verse she chose for her yearbook page was omitted 
> against her will.

Nice going ACLU. Although if the school had included the verse, wouldn't
you have sued because it promoted one religion over another?

Anyway, I think the ACLU was right on that one.
klg
response 62 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 20:01 UTC 2006

Don't forget the thrilling episode on how the ACLU helps the mentally 
ill by enabling them to live on the streets rather than in hospitals 
and shelter. 
nharmon
response 63 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 20:12 UTC 2006

My comment was not sarcastic.
jadecat
response 64 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 20:30 UTC 2006

resp:61 There's a different between having a student post a quote- for
themselves- under their yearbook picture, and the school posting a
Biblical quote for the entire class. Make sense?
marcvh
response 65 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 20:33 UTC 2006

Re #61, as in so many cases, it depends on context.  If it's clear that
the verse was the expression of an individual student and not an
endorsement by the school, and other messages of individual expression
were also permitted, then it sounds like a reasonable outcome.

Of course, it also means the school has very little power to exert
editorial control over messages, so people could have messages like
"Abstinence is for losers who can't get any" or "I love Hitler" or
just about anything.
klg
response 66 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 20:36 UTC 2006

NH  Excuse me.  You slipped in.
nharmon
response 67 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 20:57 UTC 2006

Re 64 & 65: I can see the distinction between the student saying
something, and the school saying the same thing. But what I was getting
at is...Would the ACLU have raised a fit that one student was allowed to
express his/her christian religious beliefs while another minority
student was not, if the verse had been allowed through?...(include
claims that said minority student was not valedictorian because he/she
was not affirmatively treated). I could see the ACLU filing such a lawsuit.

But, that is purely hypothetical, and not the case here. In this case I
applaud the ACLU's actions.
tod
response 68 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 21:02 UTC 2006

At my middle school (Kelly Junior High of East Detroit Public Schools), we
were called The Crusaders.  In Band, we had to sing the Crusader fight song,
our yearbook was the Crusader, and so was the weekly journal.  I even was
asked to repent on a regular basis during my typing classes.

I never made a fuss about it though because I was taught early that Christians
are arrogant people deserving of pity and understanding.
marcvh
response 69 of 70: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 21:02 UTC 2006

The ACLU (and the courts) have indeed raised concerns if there is a 
procedure put into place in order to produce the appearance of a message
being "individual student expression" when it's been clearly designed
with the intention of making a specific religious endorsement as the 
inevitable result.  Historically courts are usually not amused by shams.
wilt
response 70 of 70: Mark Unseen   May 16 23:52 UTC 2006

HACKED BY GNAA LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL
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