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Grex > Coop11 > #170: GREX Internet Connection Moves, but where? | |
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scott
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response 52 of 91:
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Jul 12 01:25 UTC 2000 |
I can be available that day, but my router knowledge is pretty limited.
I work about 1.5 miles from the Pumpkin, though.
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mdw
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response 53 of 91:
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Jul 12 05:33 UTC 2000 |
You won't need to know anything about routers for 7/14 - that's just the
phone company doing their thing, which I assume has to be done before
there's even any point worrying about the router.
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scg
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response 54 of 91:
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Jul 12 05:58 UTC 2000 |
You won't have to know anything about routers for the router configuration
either, since the Covad person will do that. Grex's IP address should get
changed before that at some point, though. Again, that's something I'm not
really comfortable doing when I can't get to the Pumpkin and fix it if I
screw up, so it should be done by somebody in Ann Arbor.
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jared
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response 55 of 91:
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Jul 13 03:40 UTC 2000 |
This is the date for Ameritech to deliver the line. Not for
covad to install the router.
Covad will come out and verify the line is ok before they send
the router installer.
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scott
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response 56 of 91:
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Jul 13 11:12 UTC 2000 |
Jared, I'll send you email with my contact info.
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jared
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response 57 of 91:
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Jul 13 14:21 UTC 2000 |
Ameritech just needs access to the phone closet to deliver the line.
They do not need to talk to anyone from Grex, as their customer is Covad.
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prp
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response 58 of 91:
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Jul 14 15:54 UTC 2000 |
I haven't read through all of this, but at some point scg said price is
not as important as the "best support". That is not quite true; Grex
needs high quality support, but not assistance for the totally ignorant.
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prp
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response 59 of 91:
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Jul 16 17:51 UTC 2000 |
Just read through all of this. Two questions:
What is AADS?
Why does Voyager lease from Covad and not Ma Bell directly?
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scg
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response 60 of 91:
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Jul 17 02:04 UTC 2000 |
AADS is Ameritech Advanced Data Service. They run the NAP in Chicago, and
do a bunch of other stuff. I forget whether ISDN is part of AADS at this
point or not.
A lot of stuff is required to build a DSL network. You need the copper from
the LEC (local exchange carrier, in this case Ameritech). You need a DSLAM
to terminate those copper pairs in every telco central office that you're
service. You then need a network to transport the DSL traffic. This could
consist IP router in every CO, but in most cases there's an ATM or Frame Relay
network linking the CO equipment together. The DSL traffic then gets handed
off to the IP router at some central point, and the data gets routed onto the
Internet.
Building a network like that is a lot of work, and is expensive, both in terms
of the regulatory stuff the companies need to go through to get space in the
COs and copper, and in terms of putting the network itself together. There
are also some big economies of scale involved. This isn't something that
small ISPs offering DSL service could afford to do. Even the really big ISPs
(UUNet and so forth) have decided it's not something they're going to do.
But there are three companies that are, Covad, Northpoint, and Rhythms. They
deal with the copper pair to the customer, the ATM or Frame network needed
to haul the data to the central location where they do the handoff, and the
ATM or Frame Relay handoff to the ISP. That leaves the ISP to focus on
Internet access, which is what the ISPs are tehoretically good at. In theory,
these companies are selling the DSL lines to enough different ISPs that they
will be able to afford the cost of building and running their networks, while
a single ISP would have a lot of trouble with that.
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krj
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response 61 of 91:
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Jul 21 15:14 UTC 2000 |
Did the 7/14 line delivery to the Pumpkin happen as planned in
resp:51 ?
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srw
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response 62 of 91:
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Jul 22 00:35 UTC 2000 |
No. There was some problem, but I don't know what the details are.
I hope it is rescheduled soon.
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jared
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response 63 of 91:
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Jul 26 02:48 UTC 2000 |
Ameritech and Covad are working to determine if the line was delivered.
I've not checked the status in the past 24 hours, but they are supposed
to make a note in the log.. i'm going to check it out in a few...
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scott
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response 64 of 91:
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Jul 26 11:11 UTC 2000 |
Nobody ever called me on the "install day".
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scg
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response 65 of 91:
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Jul 26 21:27 UTC 2000 |
But if it were just the copper pair going in, and there were other tenants
in the building who could give them access to the phone room, they wouldn't
have had any reason to call you. Somebody might want to look in the Pumpkin's
phone room to see if it's there. It should be something on the Cyberspace
Communications punch block, tagged with a circuit id.
How's the IP renumbering going? The netlag is getting pretty horrible, and
it's the convoluted routing, not the ISDN connection, that's doing it.
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scott
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response 66 of 91:
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Jul 26 22:06 UTC 2000 |
Well, I sent mail to our staff discussion list about "where the heck is that
phone closet, anyway?" and nobody answered me. :(
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prp
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response 67 of 91:
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Jul 26 23:26 UTC 2000 |
Maybe I should ask in garage, but just what is the convoluted routing?
I'm ssuming something like user -> old isp -> new isp -> grex -> new isp
-> old isp -> user.
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scg
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response 68 of 91:
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Jul 27 05:49 UTC 2000 |
Something like that.
To get to the phone closet:
Get the key that is hanging above the punch down block in the Pumpkin.
Go along the right side of the building, to the second or third door. It's
teh door with signs on it for a bunch of different companies. The key will
open it.
Once you've gone through that door, there will be a hallway with frequent 90
degree turns. Go along that hallway a bit, and there will be steps on your
left going into a dark room. That is the phone room. There is a light switch
somewhere.
Once you have turned the lights on, look at the punch blocks. One of them
will be labeled "Cyberspace Communications."
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scott
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response 69 of 91:
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Jul 27 11:16 UTC 2000 |
Thanks, Steve.
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scott
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response 70 of 91:
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Aug 2 16:07 UTC 2000 |
Great news!
The Covad installer is here ad the Pumpkin. We got an email last night, and
it was promised between 12-5. Right at the dot of noon the guy showed up.
He's in the phone closet right now.
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eeyore
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response 71 of 91:
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Aug 2 16:10 UTC 2000 |
WOO-HOO!!!!!
Once the Covad is in, how long until the new ISDN is up and running?
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scott
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response 72 of 91:
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Aug 2 16:14 UTC 2000 |
I don't know... I'm just the guy with flexible afternoons.
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carson
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response 73 of 91:
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Aug 3 12:49 UTC 2000 |
(geez. a guy shows up to help and you stick him in the phone closet.
some friendly guy *you* are. I hope you don't do that to all of your
guests.)
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janc
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response 74 of 91:
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Aug 6 02:26 UTC 2000 |
We need to coordinate with Jared on a time to shut things down, renumber
and bring it all back up again. I was pushing this, but I'm rather sick
just now and aren't up to pushing anything.
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jiffer
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response 75 of 91:
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Aug 7 03:57 UTC 2000 |
You may want to wait another week ot push Jared since he is out of town
currently.
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eeyore
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response 76 of 91:
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Aug 7 04:26 UTC 2000 |
Technicalities......:)
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