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Grex > Oldcoop > #193: Cyberspace Communications finances for August 2004 | |
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mooncat
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response 50 of 80:
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Sep 15 18:36 UTC 2004 |
re #49- Oh really? So M-net doesn't ever have periods of downtime?
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tod
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response 51 of 80:
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Sep 15 19:51 UTC 2004 |
Putting words in my mouth doesn't hide your defensiveness about the ID rule
for membership on Grex. My comments state that our attentive staff on M-Net
is sufficient enough to not warrant ID checks or background checks or invasion
of privacy in order for someone to be a paying member of Arbornet.
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tod
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response 52 of 80:
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Sep 15 19:53 UTC 2004 |
re #50
Are you saying that Grex's downtime is solved by knowing the private
information of the Grex membership? Is a member of Cyberspace tinkering with
the outdated DSL modem at the pumpkin and you're somehow able to summon the
secret Grex cops to stop such mischief?
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aruba
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response 53 of 80:
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Sep 15 22:07 UTC 2004 |
Grex is not doing any background checks or ID checks on anyone. (Though we
have received fraudulent ID on at least one occasion, and rejected it.)
Tod - If you don't like any of Grex's rules, the thing to do is make a
motion to change the rule. Then we vote on it, and if enough people agree
with you, the rule will be changed.
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mooncat
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response 54 of 80:
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Sep 16 13:12 UTC 2004 |
re #52- I'm saying the ID rule and downtime are not at all related.
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naftee
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response 55 of 80:
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Sep 16 19:43 UTC 2004 |
re 52 Very funny. I don't like the rule, but I can't vote on it. I'm sure
you know why not. AND don't say it's because I don't want to give money to
GreX.
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tod
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response 56 of 80:
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Sep 16 19:50 UTC 2004 |
re #53
Mark, the thing to do before making a motion is to create a stir in order to
muster enough interest in changing anything. Grex historically does not
attract interest in change. I'm also engaging in a discovery process with
this. I'm not at all convinced the ID requirement holds much weight as a
safety net for Grex.
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remmers
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response 57 of 80:
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Sep 16 20:24 UTC 2004 |
"Grex historically does not attract interest in change."
I engaged in a discovery process and discovered that over the years,
12 of 19 member proposals passed. (Including one that enabled Todd
and other non-local members to run for the Board.) That's an average
of almost one per year.
http://cyberspace.org/local/grex/votes.html
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tod
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response 58 of 80:
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Sep 16 22:11 UTC 2004 |
re #57
Were it not for mynxcat's incessant whining prior to the motion, I doubt it
would have gone anywhere.
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aruba
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response 59 of 80:
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Sep 17 20:40 UTC 2004 |
I believe I was the one who proposed that motion, and I don't remember
whining at all.
Tod - give us some examples of systems that allow people to telnet through
them, anonymously. I know you mentioned M-Net and the Armenian Freenet.
What others are there?
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tod
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response 60 of 80:
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Sep 17 23:01 UTC 2004 |
King County Library System.
I wish I could come up with more but I stopped bouncing pseudos about 10 years
ago and have noticed most forums going the way of web browser.
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mfp
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response 61 of 80:
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Sep 18 02:36 UTC 2004 |
There're also guest.sailor.lib.md.edu and rootshell.be, and plenty of places
to telnet anonymously if you look around you.
LIKE< WHETHER IT"S WIRELESS OR WHATEVER OR ON SOME UNIVERSITY OR WHATEVER OR
SOMETHING< YOU KNOW?! JUST THAT NO_ONE"S GOING TO HVEA MUCH OF A PROBLEM
TELNETTING ANONYMOUSLY.
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naftee
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response 62 of 80:
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Sep 20 04:34 UTC 2004 |
Long live sailor.
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aruba
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response 63 of 80:
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Sep 21 22:55 UTC 2004 |
I get "Unknown host guest.sailor.lib.md.edu" when I try to ping it. md.edu
is apparently the University of Muldova. Speaking for myself, I don't want
to take sites in Armenia and Muldova as examples of how Grex should behave,
any more than I'd emulate them in anything else. They exist in a different
legal and social climate than we do.
rootshell.be is in Belgium, which strikes me as a little closer to home, but
still not all the way there. Is the King County library system in Seattle,
Tod? Do you have an URL?
I'd like to point out that allowing anonymous telnet from Grex means
allowing mfp & company to telnet through Grex, thus making us the target of
anger from those downstream when vandalism is comitted.
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mfp
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response 64 of 80:
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Sep 21 23:30 UTC 2004 |
Oh. Sorry.
It's guest.sailor.lib.md.us. I was just in an edu sort of mood.
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aruba
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response 65 of 80:
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Sep 22 14:10 UTC 2004 |
rootshell.be does indeed let me ssh out as soon as I log into my account for
the first time. However, they require an alternate email address to which
they sent my username and password, so they have somewhere else they can
point a finger if I do something bad. It's not much security, but it's more
than Grex would have if we allowed (essentiallly) anonymous telnet.
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keesan
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response 66 of 80:
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Sep 22 20:24 UTC 2004 |
Moldova is probably the correct spelling unless they changed recently.
Once it was Moldavia.
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tod
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response 67 of 80:
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Sep 22 20:43 UTC 2004 |
Aren't they 2 different things?
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twenex
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response 68 of 80:
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Sep 22 20:46 UTC 2004 |
Nope.
(Unless pre- and post-Communist Mold-place are).
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tod
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response 69 of 80:
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Sep 22 21:52 UTC 2004 |
Romanians don't say "Moldavia"
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albaugh
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response 70 of 80:
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Sep 23 14:43 UTC 2004 |
What was the country in "The Mouse That Roared"? ;-)
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marcvh
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response 71 of 80:
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Sep 23 17:15 UTC 2004 |
The Dutchy of Grand Fenwick.
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albaugh
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response 72 of 80:
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Sep 23 18:05 UTC 2004 |
That's pretty close to mole-davey-eh.
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naftee
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response 73 of 80:
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Sep 24 06:17 UTC 2004 |
Long live polish sailor.
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aruba
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response 74 of 80:
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Sep 24 14:21 UTC 2004 |
When I telnet to guest.sailor.lib.md.us I get a menu shell, which doesn't
(obviously) have a telnet option. It has Lynx, but Lynx is configured not
to accept telnet:// URLs. How do you telnet out?
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