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agent86
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response 50 of 99:
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Dec 5 23:56 UTC 1997 |
I Christian Punk is an oxymoron... these are the pretend-punks, who are
claiming to be "punk" based on the color of their hair, the use of
samples/distortion/whateva' to create a particular sound, and body piercing...
Unless, of course, they have an "over throw that bastard government cuz its
too nice to them other religions I want to see it crash and burn" message,
in which case I still don't like it ;)
What defines "christian punk?"
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mcnally
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response 51 of 99:
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Dec 6 01:35 UTC 1997 |
So your position, then, would be that "punk" is determined by the content
of the lyrics and not just by the style of the music (tempo, chords, which
instruments are used, etc?)
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robh
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response 52 of 99:
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Dec 6 02:51 UTC 1997 |
I would certainly argue that the lyrical content is an intrinsic
aspect of what defines "punk rock". When I hear music that sounds like
punk but has lighter, happier lyrics, I usually refer to it as
either "punk lite" or "bubble-gum punk".
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orinoco
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response 53 of 99:
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Dec 6 14:28 UTC 1997 |
Once again, the problem is where to put the boundary between punk and all the
swarms of punk-related styles. I've heard bands like Greenday, Chumbawumba,
and so forth called 'punk', but I don't think either qualifies - Greenday
tends to be overly happy, and Chumbawumba doesn't sound very 'punky'
musically. You need to have both.
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lumen
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response 54 of 99:
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Dec 7 00:22 UTC 1997 |
Oh, fuck the punks. I never much liked angry music, and a lot of musicians
who started out as punk finally woke up and smelled the coffee. I mean,
starving is ok if that's what you want or if doing punk music is your
moonlighting and you have a daytime job, but man, some folks wanna eat.
Blondie never was very punk, Billy Idol strayed from the hard-core path, and
we just discussed the fact that Chumbawumba decided to give it up, too--
anything wrong with that?
Johnny Rotten can just go rot for all I care..
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agent86
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response 55 of 99:
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Dec 7 06:04 UTC 1997 |
*laugh* =)
I wasn't even aware people considered Blondie punk... I like their music alot,
but it has more of a 80's glamrock or maybe a ska feel to it.
I heard some "good" punk by TSOL a little while ago. It jammed! But then, I
don't really listen to the lyrics, I just sort of let them wash over me and
act as subliminal messages on me ;) In fact, I think I will go look at some
corpses in a morgue right now ;) Well, maybe not...
About needing both a sound-format and lyric-format to qualify as 'punk,' I
would like to agree most wholeheartedly and suggest that this is the reason
that Abbie Hoffman isn't a punk ;)
later...
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agent86
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response 56 of 99:
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Dec 7 11:51 UTC 1997 |
actually I suppose the above post says something about punk music... True
Sound of Liberty (tsol) hasn't done much of anything big in years ;)
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robh
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response 57 of 99:
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Dec 7 13:23 UTC 1997 |
Re 54 - Actually, "fuck the punks" is a perfect expression of
punk attitudes, and any true punker would love it. >8)
Re 54/55 - Yep, I have indeed heard folks refer to Blondie as
punk, although not recently. I actually listened to my Billy Idol
best-of CD last week, and was surprised how happy and 80's the music
seemed to me now. I've become jaded...
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orinoco
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response 58 of 99:
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Dec 7 14:43 UTC 1997 |
Well, what it takes to shock people changes over time.
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anderyn
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response 59 of 99:
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Dec 7 16:47 UTC 1997 |
Saw an album at Borders yesterday called Ethno-punk. Artists on it included
several that I wouldn't have thought of as punk, but then I'm not exactly
on the cutting edge there (um, Rock, Salt and Nails, Den Fule, Hedningarna,
a couple of others that I know from krj's world music prosletyizing :-) --
it seemed interesting thta they were advertising it as punk/world beat.
Lots of Egyptian, Rwandan, and other nationalities there, too.
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agent86
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response 60 of 99:
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Dec 7 18:54 UTC 1997 |
that sounds pretty neat... I may have to walk all the way over to borders...
I wonder if Tower would have it? they are very close to my daily routine, and
they have a healthy selection of (or perhaps unhealthy selection of) punk,
goth and ska, most likely as a result of their prominent location overhead
that punk clothing/piercing place and in close proximity to the 2600 meetings
;)
I wonder why I like punk, anyways... I am, if not upbeat, usually pretty
mellow with a sense of humour about things... I don't dress punk, most of the
time, and my hair is usually pretty constant in its coloration.
Maybe I just like entropy >=]
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anderyn
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response 61 of 99:
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Dec 8 00:02 UTC 1997 |
I know it's an emi collection, same as the Folk'n'hell one I bought earlier
this yaer. So, probably available at Tower. It IS still at the Borders here
in town,
at least as of this afternoon, since I checked while we were there buying Roy
Orbison's Greatest Hits.
I would like to ask what the punk "ethic" is, since I've heard of that for
a long time, and I just haven't ever heard a good explanation. And since
this collection features several bands I already know I like, it seems
weird that it would be called punk.
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lumen
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response 62 of 99:
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Dec 8 06:30 UTC 1997 |
re #57-- I actually said something that a true-blue punk would love? How
ironic. I just don't groove with the agenda. I don't disdain fashion, I
don't go looking for aggro, I don't beat up gays, etc., etc., stereotype blah
blah blah. I did color my hair recently, and five years ago, I had my hair
fairly long, with the sides and back of my head shaved to the skin (all my
dormmates were coaxing me to make it a mohawk). Oh yeah. I was never really
keen on anarchist philosophy.
I'll just Mode until I die, I guess.
Billy Idol actually shocked people when he was popular? Eh? I was saying
he got popular after 2 failed punk bands, and when he got happier and
80's-sounding (i.e., jumped on a bandwagon).
re #55-- I haven't heard anything but _The Best of Blondie_, so I couldn't
really classify them. From that collection alone, they weren't just glamrock,
they were indeed post-punk (Atomic, Rip Her To Shreds), and they eventually
merged a little into technopop sounds (Heart of Glass special mix, Rapture,
Atomic, etc.)
I enjoy a little sarcasm, a little attitude, a little torture in my music;
but generally not to the degree that bands are doing now.
Guess I gotta love my techno :)
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agent86
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response 63 of 99:
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Dec 8 09:07 UTC 1997 |
Agreed. <- Wow. That has to be my least wordy post to date, so maybe I will
add some filler.
Filler part 1) I don't think that punk means that you have to go around
beating up gays or anything else. I think punk is simply going against the
grain. Especially now. In the last decade, every fringe group except the
Southern Baptists has moved to the center, moderated its stance. Punk is no
different. I think punk means, to the majority of people who like to think
they are punks, anarchism and not a lot else -- pissing on the flag, if you
will. (This is assuming that they are not total airheads who aren't into much
of anything at all).
Filler part 2: Twila Oxley Price.... did you ever have any involvement with
the Steiner school? I recognize your (just a tad unusual) name from somewhere
;)
Feel freee to respond to the filler, babes :)
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robh
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response 64 of 99:
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Dec 8 12:25 UTC 1997 |
In fact, most of the punks I've known would rather beat up
homophobes than beat up gays. >8)
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anderyn
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response 65 of 99:
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Dec 8 16:22 UTC 1997 |
Nope. :-)
Well, upon listening to the album, it's way cool. I like it a lot.
Instant sonic bliss. But I still don't know if it's punk.
Bands(sing out if you know of 'em!):
Yehuda Poliker (Israel)
Ciudad Jardin (Spain)
Pyx Lax (Greece)
Rock, Salt and Nails (Scotland)
Den Fule (Sweden)
Mano NEgra (France)
Parsha Club (Okinawa Japan)
Raz, Dwa, Trzy (Poland)
MAu MAu (Italy)
Black 47 (USA)
Parlamas do Sucesso (Brazil)
Ciu Jian (China)
Shoogilnifty (Scotland)
Hedningarna (Sweden)
Wilmer X (Sweden)
I have or have heard albums by: Rock Salt and Nails, Den Fule, Shoogilnifty,
and Hedningarna.
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mcnally
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response 66 of 99:
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Dec 8 18:16 UTC 1997 |
I've heard stuff by Mano Negra before, though don't have any of
their recordings..
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krj
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response 67 of 99:
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Dec 8 21:13 UTC 1997 |
I'll have to loan Twila some Black 47 CDs.
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orinoco
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response 68 of 99:
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Dec 8 22:31 UTC 1997 |
I've heard some Black 47, but I don't know as I'd call it punk...
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agent86
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response 69 of 99:
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Dec 8 23:03 UTC 1997 |
See, Miles? That is why you aren't a Music Company CEO =]
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lumen
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response 70 of 99:
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Dec 9 01:36 UTC 1997 |
re #64: That just goes to show how very much times have changed. In fact,
playing The Village People doesn't annoy very many of them anymore. (Maybe
a lot of punks used to be the sort of gay bashers who wouldn't admit they were
gay themselves?) Who knows..
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teflon
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response 71 of 99:
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Dec 10 02:18 UTC 1997 |
Black 47? Punk? That is so far out! I guess you could call it that, in that
they have a "rah, rah, rah, F*ck the system" attitude... But I don't know...
What would that make them, "Celtic Punk?"
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goose
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response 72 of 99:
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Dec 10 17:15 UTC 1997 |
re#70 -- IN addition to the Christian-Punks, there is the whole
Queer-Punk scene. Check out the Queers, and Pansy Division.
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lumen
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response 73 of 99:
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Dec 10 18:57 UTC 1997 |
it is a rather interesting phenomenon, isn't it?
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orinoco
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response 74 of 99:
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Dec 10 22:40 UTC 1997 |
Well, you can crossbreed more or less anything with Punk fairly easily, just
by giving it more of a raw edge, or so it seems to me. So Celtic-punk, or
anything else, would be less difficult to arrange than some combinations.
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