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mcnally
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response 50 of 151:
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Apr 29 07:10 UTC 1997 |
(I believe the term "feminazi" should die an agonizingly painful death..)
Alanis Morissette might come close to topping the list of acts whose
careers I'd prevent if I had a time machine and a lot of free time on
my hands but given the state of what's played on the radio these days
if I were to start down that road it could keep me very busy indeed.
Perhaps it's a matter of timing -- the 80s coincided pretty squarely
with my adolescence -- but I quite like a lot of 80s music. Of course
like just about anything 90% (or more) is crap but there're certainly
all sorts of classic 80s albums (and even more single tracks) that I'd
hate to be without..
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krj
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response 51 of 151:
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Apr 29 17:28 UTC 1997 |
I just got a solicitation from Time-Life for their "Sounds of the Eighties"
series. If I can find it, Mike, I'll forward it your way.... :)
I haven't listened to Alanis too closely, but my impression is that,
thematically, she does a lot of "my guy treated me so bad" songs.
This is a pretty old theme; it turns up in oodles of folksongs and
doesn't seem to have any connection to anything Rush would describe
as "feminazi."
But, Alanis is for the 90's retrospective item!! :)
I have some 80's memory dumps on Talking Heads and R.E.M. which will
get typed in when I have some time.
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orinoco
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response 52 of 151:
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Apr 29 23:07 UTC 1997 |
Well, we have enough angry female singer-songwriter types that many of them
no longer seem genuine, in the same way that later grunge or punk acts seemed
to be following a trend rather than expressing any real anger or pain. Some,
such as Tori Amos, Paula Cole, Laura Nyro, etcetera, I adore. Alanis is one
that I could really do without.
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kewy
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response 53 of 151:
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Apr 29 23:35 UTC 1997 |
i agree about the alanis being a bad act, but going to earlier, i wouldn't
put her as a "feminazi" act, the songs of hers that i've heard
(unfortunately), are not so vicious as "all men are bad, men should die, women
rule, yada yada yada" that's feminazi to me, there are only 2 songs of hers
that i can think of are really bitter ones.. and in my opinion those happen
to be the lesser of her evils. on another women folksy bluesy stuff, i'm
really liking the new ani difranco single that they're playing, a lot.
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orinoco
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response 54 of 151:
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May 1 20:44 UTC 1997 |
Hmm...haven't heard it yet. Which should come as no surprise, being as I
haven't listened to the radio in some time.
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mziemba
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response 55 of 151:
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May 3 07:15 UTC 1997 |
Actually, I've heard all of the Alanis album, and not all the songs are
bad-guy songs. In fact, one in current rotation is about a rather nice guy.
So, even though I'm not rushing out to buy her album, I will have to give her
credit for putting together a good album. And that's probably just as much
due to Madonna's crack marketing team at Maverick Records, another musician
I'm loathe to defend, but will, if pressed. (How's *that* for an eighties
tie-in?)
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orinoco
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response 56 of 151:
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May 3 15:39 UTC 1997 |
Most impressive, mark...
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mziemba
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response 57 of 151:
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May 3 17:30 UTC 1997 |
Thanks, DV!
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senna
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response 58 of 151:
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May 7 01:04 UTC 1997 |
sometimes I feel like I"m the only one who likes Alanis... Her new stuff
(well, new to me) is a lot better than her dance albums that came earlier in
the nineties. Everybody seems to have taken one song and characterized the
whole album with it... the album is actually quite excellent and covers a
whole range of topics. Three songs deal with unpleasant men.
Feminazi is a way overused term... even Rush Limbaugh says that it only refers
to 30 or 40 radical feminists. I have a friend who characterizes the category
of "progressive females" as bitch-pop, and includes alanis, Sarah Maclachlan,
tori amos, and others in the category. The way he brought it up was rather
amusing :)
Actually, I like 80's music that bridges to the nineties, such as R.E.M.
(though mostly from Document) NIN and U2. Perhaps they survived because their
style of music was already moving to the nineties. I don't know. Pretty Hate
Machine is an excellent example of the changing face of music--it combines
80's synth with 90's angst and hard edged feel.
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orinoco
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response 59 of 151:
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May 7 22:32 UTC 1997 |
It's interesting, the way music has been swinging back and forth between
guitar rock and synth music. We now seem to be swinging back towards the
synth end of things, which would be a welcome relief from grunge, grunge, and
more grunge...
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senna
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response 60 of 151:
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May 8 01:32 UTC 1997 |
I don't really mind grunge that much, but the recycled power chord variation
garbage is really getting on my nerves--for instance, Push by Matchbox-20
sounds exactly like five other songs that I didn't like when they came out.
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orinoco
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response 61 of 151:
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May 8 03:01 UTC 1997 |
Grunge as a style has nothing wrong with it, it's just the whole 'play any
four chords over and over in the same order and call it a song' style of music
that I object to. You could play the same four chords over and over again
on a harpsichord, a banjo, or anything else--it would still sound dreadfull.
(And yes, this includes Philip Glass... :)
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krj
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response 62 of 151:
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May 8 03:30 UTC 1997 |
Not a big fan of the early Kinks, I take it...
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mcnally
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response 63 of 151:
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May 8 06:09 UTC 1997 |
I think the thing which I find most depressing about what's played on
so-called "alternative" radio these days is the persistent feeling that
even if you've never heard this particular song before you've heard
something nearly indistinguishable over and over again.
Is there actually something to this or have I just reached my Popular
Music Saturation Point?
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mziemba
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response 64 of 151:
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May 8 09:06 UTC 1997 |
Mike- isn't all art mysteriously redundant, to an extent? It's often
surprising to go back and see similar ideas executed long ago, perhaps even
in other places. It think this only points to the common endeavor of life...
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raven
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response 65 of 151:
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May 8 13:50 UTC 1997 |
re # 64 This is is true to an extent but I think what #63 is talking about
is hearing the same old 4 power chords over and over again, followed by
a sappy snynth ballad. IMO there is still good popular music old there
though, I think the newish Luscious Jackson album "Fever in Fever out,"
is good, and I also like last years Throwing Muses album "Limbo." Other
good popular music seems to be coming from the Beastie Boys, Chemical
Brothers, Future Sound of London, Steve Earle, etc. Just keep your ears
open and don't listen to commercial radio and you can find good music.
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mcnally
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response 66 of 151:
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May 8 19:55 UTC 1997 |
oh, I don't question that there's still tons of good music being
produced.. it's just that I used to at least like some of the mainstream
stuff and more and more I find myself only interested in the margins.
I'm mostly wondering whether that's due to being oversaturated due to
recent music trends or whether it's an inevitable result of getting older
to which I should reconcile myself by trading in all of my Clash albums
for Lawrence Welk..
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krj
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response 67 of 151:
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May 8 20:00 UTC 1997 |
No no, see, what happens is that the Clash become *our* Lawrence Welk.
:)
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raven
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response 68 of 151:
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May 9 03:58 UTC 1997 |
Actually I would say just the opposide is happening for me, it used to be
I could only listen to obscure indie label stuff, but now I appreciate
groups like the Beasties and Luscious Jacksonwho are on Capitol.
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senna
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response 69 of 151:
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May 9 05:09 UTC 1997 |
Beasties haven't released much recently. The funny thing is that one of the
major albums that supposedly defined grunge... Ten, by Pearl Jam... is
everything that grunge right now isn't. It's original, well composed,
nonrepetitive, and well toned. In contrast, the supposed ripoffs--Early Stone
Temple Pilots, Silverchair, Bush, etc etc etc are much harder edged, power
chord oriented bands. (or were, the latest STP album is terrific, and doesn't
have the slightest hint of grunge in it).
Music needs to go somewhere, because right now it's mucking around on the last
vestiges of grunge and not really moving on to its supposed savior--techno.
I'm looking forward to the new Foo fighters release, but other than that most
modern music doesn't have the freshness it did two years ago.
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raven
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response 70 of 151:
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May 9 14:23 UTC 1997 |
re #69 Make that MTV music isn't going anywhere. There is a *lot* of
interesting experimental/world music out there. Techno is already dead it had
played itself by the summer of 94 IMO.
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orinoco
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response 71 of 151:
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May 10 00:33 UTC 1997 |
>Techno is already dead
...and hence ready to be the next music mega-trend.
Or am I being too cynical?
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senna
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response 72 of 151:
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May 13 04:14 UTC 1997 |
Grunge wasn't dead a the time it was trendy. Techno's great saviors are
supposed to be chemical brothes and Prodigy, the way Nirvana and Pearl Jam
were for grunge. But they haven't done anything chartwise or me-wise since
they've been released.
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orinoco
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response 73 of 151:
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May 16 21:40 UTC 1997 |
Personally, I think the best chance techno has will come from those who blend
it with other things. Some people consider them sellouts, but I think that
the results of this sort of blending is more interesting than straight techno,
which tends to be more or less a metronome for dancing to...
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katt
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response 74 of 151:
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May 23 16:44 UTC 1997 |
all the really amazing Techno I've heard has been on, like, ULTRA indie
labels. . .I guess the thing about techno is that it's hard to make it
national in the same way, because alot of it's image has to do with its being
an indie thing. SO while amazing things are happening with it, you don't hear
it on the radio . . .ah, well, that's never stopped te industry in the end
in te past. . .
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