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rcurl
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response 50 of 126:
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Aug 24 19:53 UTC 1995 |
That's the object of having more users with their help flags up - it
dilutes the interruptions. I've also had write-helps while I was
helping - what do others do about that? I've started to ask the
person I'm helping to stand by, and then suspend to ask the second
helpee to hold on, if they can...but you don't know how long you'll
be with the first helpee. Could it be set up so your flag goes off while
you are connected to a helpee?
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popcorn
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response 51 of 126:
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Aug 25 04:30 UTC 1995 |
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rcurl
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response 52 of 126:
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Aug 25 07:45 UTC 1995 |
It's happened twice, over the past few months. I didn't know it wa a bug,
and I'll be sure to log it next time.
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lilmo
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response 53 of 126:
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Oct 8 19:55 UTC 1995 |
Re #44: Try asking ppl?
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robh
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response 54 of 126:
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Oct 8 21:17 UTC 1995 |
The problem being, we don't just want *anybody* to turn their flags
on, we want them to be people who actually know something about
using Grex. I don't think we could do much more to piss off our
new users than:
"How do I read my old mail?"
"Uh, I dunno."
"Well, how do I create a Web page here?"
"What's a Web page?"
"Can I send mail to someone asking for help?"
"I'm not sure..."
"So what do you know, anyway?"
"Well, I know how to use party..."
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bubu
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response 55 of 126:
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Oct 10 21:45 UTC 1995 |
I would love to help out....but there are some things about unix i do not
know.
Are there some books or something I could read to learn more..I know most of
the basics. I have just now started down loading my mail...but even then
something is wrong..I would like to learn this stuff..if only for myself.
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robh
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response 56 of 126:
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Oct 10 22:24 UTC 1995 |
Learning is good. There are so damn many books out these days
about Unix and the Internet, I'm sure at least a few of them
are good, right? >8) I don't have any specific recommendations,
the only Unix book I own has been out of print for years.
Anyone else?
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popcorn
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response 57 of 126:
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Oct 15 20:15 UTC 1995 |
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bubu
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response 58 of 126:
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Oct 17 20:30 UTC 1995 |
thanks Val. I did just pick up one of those dummie books on unix....the
mysteries of the unknown world of grex and unix are becoming...well becoming
even more fuzzier
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rlawson
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response 59 of 126:
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Nov 24 21:14 UTC 1995 |
Well, Rob, I think I've asked you enough questions to know what I'm doing (and
I mostly ask complicated questions). Would you mind terribly if I lend a
helping hand. I do know the answers to all of the questions listed in #54.
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davel
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response 60 of 126:
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Nov 24 23:12 UTC 1995 |
If you know what you're doing I think I can guarantee that Rob will be
not just willing but tickled pink. I don't think you need his permission,
though.
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robh
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response 61 of 126:
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Nov 25 02:05 UTC 1995 |
In any case, he has it:
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO
IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
DO IT!
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rlawson
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response 62 of 126:
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Nov 25 02:25 UTC 1995 |
Please clarify, Rob... what exactly are you saying?
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robh
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response 63 of 126:
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Nov 25 03:00 UTC 1995 |
What do you think I'm saying? >8)
(In any case, davel is right - you don't need my permission to
turn your help flag on.)
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janc
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response 64 of 126:
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Nov 25 03:55 UTC 1995 |
Cool. We need more helpers.
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davel
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response 65 of 126:
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Nov 25 15:47 UTC 1995 |
Thanks for backing me up, Rob. <sighs in relief>
8-{)}
What Rob was saying, way back there, is that we've occasionally seen really
clueless people wanting to have their helper flags on. Two reasons seem
to come up: they perceive this as somehow giving them status, or they
somehow think this will give them root access or something like that.
(Either misapprehension is just further evidence that they're truly
clueless, of course.) If you can in fact answer questions like those he
posted in that ironic comment, and are willing to be interrupted in whatever
you're doing by people needing help, then PLEASE go ahead & turn on your
helper flag without bothering to ask for permission. OK?
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rlawson
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response 66 of 126:
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Nov 25 16:14 UTC 1995 |
I've had my helper flag on for the past day or to. I'm sorry for being
sarcastic... but, mind you, it was just sarcaism. I'm really not *that* stupid
and ignorant, honest :)
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rcurl
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response 67 of 126:
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Nov 25 23:07 UTC 1995 |
So, why did you just write help, and then EOF before I could respond? 8^}
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rlawson
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response 68 of 126:
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Nov 25 23:39 UTC 1995 |
Because I was helping someone at the time and when I was finished helping,
the person would not send an EOF... they just sat there. I was going to ask
you how to deal with it but just as I typed "write help" (no quotes, of course
<smile>), they sent the EOF. Sorry for the confussion. :) I was about to write
back to you and explain why I had just written to you and sent an EOF two
seconds later, but was too em-bare-assed (I just hate it when that happens).
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rcurl
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response 69 of 126:
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Nov 25 23:41 UTC 1995 |
I wait a decent interval, and then I quickly write "Use ctrl-D to quit"
(many newusers don't know what to do). That usually works.
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rlawson
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response 70 of 126:
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Nov 25 23:56 UTC 1995 |
That's what I did, but when I ran a "w violentj", it said he'd been idle for
about 4 minutes. :( <robert just doesn't know (robert shakes head slowly)>
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janc
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response 71 of 126:
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Nov 26 00:57 UTC 1995 |
One good feature to know:
In "chat", if you start a line with a ) character, it will not send anything
you type until you hit return (for that line only).
So, if the person is slow exiting, I type
)control-D to exit
so that if he starts typing, he doesn't see my texted mixed with his, since
that line will be sent all in a burst when I hit return.
I also use it to escape the ! characater at the begining of a line, like
"Type the command
)!chmod 600 file
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robh
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response 72 of 126:
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Nov 26 01:10 UTC 1995 |
I just stick a tab in front of any ! commands I include.
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rcurl
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response 73 of 126:
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Nov 26 06:22 UTC 1995 |
Thanks for that trick, Jan. Up to now I wait for a while..and then
type very fast! Say, how would I kill that line, if the person did
start another question?
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rlawson
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response 74 of 126:
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Nov 26 21:26 UTC 1995 |
Re #71: Does that work in "write"? What is the differnce between "chat" and
"write"? Or are they the same? (I've always thought it was the latter)
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