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wolfg676
response 50 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 18:13 UTC 1998

Speakin of toasters, does anyone know anything about Video Toasters and what
will keep them from working?
mary
response 51 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 22:57 UTC 1998

Re: #49  What a stitch.  She is a hoot.
magnetic
response 52 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 23:24 UTC 1998

ref:#51 Hey Mary - I was booked on a flight with flying tigers but canceled
it 'cause it has to be a joke.  Tigers dont even have wings..........(hehe)
omni
response 53 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 06:32 UTC 1998

  Not a clue.
other
response 54 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 06:51 UTC 1998

video toasters are the next step in the evolution of the amiga computer.
the species couldn't survive in the computer ecosystem, so it adapted to the
video effects ecosystem.  computers have since adapted to superiority even
in this separate ecosystem, so it appears thast video toasters have to placed
on the endangered species list...
scott
response 55 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 12:51 UTC 1998

The "flying toasters" screen saver is actually a product of a company other
than Microsoft.  
tao
response 56 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 15:31 UTC 1998

I'm fond of AfterDark(tm)'s bungee-jumping cows.  As a cow bungees from
the top of the screen, she goes "MooooooOOOOOOOOooooo!!', before the
bungee cord rebounds.  Occasionally, a cow's cord will break, and she
crashes into a heap of hamburgers and hot dogs at the bottom of the 
screen.
mcnally
response 57 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 18:02 UTC 1998

  I like their "Satori" screen saver, though I don't bother much with
  screen savers these days.  I think that EnergyStar and APM have dealt
  a serious blow to the screen-saver camp.
magnetic
response 58 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:40 UTC 1998

can you telnet from this pico  or from my account here at grex?
mcnally
response 59 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 04:02 UTC 1998

  Not unless you pay to become a Grex member.  Grex is pretty generous
  about providing e-mail, conferencing, chat (party), etc, but partly
  because of resource limitations and partly for other reasons most
  out-bound network services are restricted to members.
krj
response 60 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 05:04 UTC 1998

Where are the bungee-jumping cows?  We've bought two recent 
After Dark screen saver packages and I don't recall those...
okuma
response 61 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 21:46 UTC 1998

Whatever happened to cyberkiller who started all of this?
tao
response 62 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 23:24 UTC 1998

re 60:  I was referring to an older version, Ken.  Perhaps
the bungee cows have been discontinued in the current
versions.  But I hope not.
krj
response 63 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 00:43 UTC 1998

Leslie and I just searched through our Win95 versions of 
"After Dark Classics" and "After Dark 4.0."  No bungee cows.
We are bummed.
tao
response 64 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 14:42 UTC 1998

You have my sympathies.
remmers
response 65 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 17:42 UTC 1998

Re #61: The author of this item has not logged on since the
day he posted it. He may have decided that Grex is not fruitful
territory for discussions of the kind he's interested in.
albaugh
response 66 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 18:17 UTC 1998

let's not have a moment of silence in honor of that  :-)
gibson
response 67 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 18:43 UTC 1998

        No amen!
vejiita
response 68 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 21 05:52 UTC 1998

ok...pals.... how about the toasters ?...should we have amen for it ?
gibson
response 69 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 21 09:29 UTC 1998

        Lets just offer up a toast.
srw
response 70 of 108: Mark Unseen   Mar 23 03:07 UTC 1998

Didn't the flying toasters come from a Jefferson Airplane Album? Wasn't 
Berkely Software sued over it? Isn't that the reason that the toasters 
found themselves not well suited for even the video effects ecosystem, 
and so they are now to be found only in the grex drift items ecosystem?
<flap flap pop>
memetics
response 71 of 108: Mark Unseen   Apr 5 00:23 UTC 1998

lots of things to say on the above

I bet Microsoft are doing some serious logging of all that hotmail email, a
very popular hang out for all sorts of fringe types on the internet.

Hotmail addresses can be traced - in the headers the originating IP address
is listed.  And if the user of the account is doing some really nasty the ISP
that IP address traces to might be of help.

Why bother with hacking?
1) Intellectual challenge
2) To warn potential targets before someone less ethical comes along
3) Kudos

As stated - depends on the definition of "hack".  Do you mean finding the
error in the code for the ftp daemon and sneaking a root shell?  Or do you
mean running a lame script that winnuke's a University's Class B?  The former
is intelligent, the latter is vandalism.

I would have thought Grex would be popular with hackers - free telnet account,
a chance to run all sorts of things.  Plus what's the security at
cyberspace.org like, we don't get chrooted.....

Oh, and a fourth reason to hack - to gain employment.  i presume groups such
as IBM's "ethical" hackers get paid lots of money.

I forget the names - because I have v poor memory, but the two guys who set
up Apple were both phreakers ( phone system hackers ).  Don't know hackers
( white hats ) who come in, impress the sysadmin, tell him of the holes, and
then leave, its the "black hats" you need to worry about.

mcnally and other - most hackers are "script kiddies", who use "hack in a box"
t001z to make an impact.  I'm definitely a script kiddie :)

and that's that - looks like I joined the conversation too late - just when
everythign changed to toaster talk

srw
response 72 of 108: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 20:46 UTC 1998

your comments were interesting, though, and the toaster talk appears to 
have died down to 0 after my cutting questions in resp:70.

My hats off to hackers who can distinguish ethical hacking from the 
other kind, and who can remain ethical. I learned about hacking at the 
source of all hacking, the Tech model Railroad Club in the 1960s. yes, 
I'm old. yes, I'm square. But I am a hacker in the original sense.

We didn't have any vandals. We at TMRC are deeply offended that in the 
popular culture the behavior of people who steal service, break root to 
read other people's mail, run denial-of-service attacks, deal in 
stolen passwords and CC numbers, and generally commit hi-tech vandalism, 
is called hacking. That stuff is all illegal and for a good 
reason. Hacking is an ethical activity, or at least it was until the 
media came in and redefined the word to include vandalism. 
srw
response 73 of 108: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 20:48 UTC 1998

Lots of script kiddies come to grex to run their scripts, because we are 
so open. What amazes me is that they see a point in trying to crack a 
system that has the door open and the welcome mat down.
memetics
response 74 of 108: Mark Unseen   Apr 15 15:44 UTC 1998

Last point first.  Disappointed to see the script kiddies using GREX as a
playground.  If I had that kind of time / ability I'd use it to better
effect than playing with a useful, friendly free service like GREX.

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