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dang
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response 50 of 77:
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Nov 9 23:53 UTC 1997 |
We ran into the problem that the OS we had installed (SunOS 4.1.3) was the
wrong version, and indeed different than we thought we were installing (SunOS
4.1.3U1). So, we had so scramble around to find either SunOS 4.1.3U1 or
4.1.4, since 4.1.3 has some serious problems, as I understand it. We managed
to get a 4.1.4 CD, and a reasonable set of patches, and so those will be (have
been?) installed asap.
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valerie
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response 51 of 77:
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Nov 10 02:47 UTC 1997 |
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janc
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response 52 of 77:
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Nov 10 04:27 UTC 1997 |
I guess most of the ducks are lined up to redo the software install on
the 4/670, but while I was waiting for that, I got distracted by
Backtalk, and I'm currently still trying to iron out a few more bugs in
the version I recently installed. Since Grex's machine is currently
working better than it has for years, I feel Backtalk debugging is a
higher priority for me personally right now than the 4/670. Doesn't
mean someone else can't get on the 4/670.
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n8nxf
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response 53 of 77:
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Nov 10 12:36 UTC 1997 |
He's also been spending a lot of time helping me hoist plywood and drive
screws.
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remmers
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response 54 of 77:
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Nov 10 16:30 UTC 1997 |
Have you imposed a deadline on him? :)
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tao
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response 55 of 77:
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Nov 10 17:04 UTC 1997 |
res 49: Nag, my foot, Dave! You've imported Grex ideas over to
MNet on a regular basis, virtually in sync with their implementation
here (yup, grexers, MNet's running an auction, too -- and an ISDN
connection, and an MNet sightings item, and...)
Obviously, Grex is doing something right, to merit all the
imitation. Don't act so displeased, because you're not fooling
those of us who are on both systems.
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janc
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response 56 of 77:
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Nov 10 18:53 UTC 1997 |
Um, I'm sure M-Net had an ISDN line first. I'm almost sure they had an
auction first. I have no idea who had a "sightings" item first. We both
steal liberally from each other. Since M-Net is far older than Grex, and
was until recently wealthier and larger than Grex, I strongly suspect that
we got more from them than vice versa.
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mta
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response 57 of 77:
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Nov 10 18:55 UTC 1997 |
Well, to be honest, tao, a lot of ideas that m-net and grex share started on
m-net and were imported by grexers who came here. I don't remember which off
hand, so I don't know whether those you mention were original here or there.
Doesn't matter. A good idea is a good idea and a healthy m-net is god for
grex, too.
However I think your point is an excellent one. If Grex is so bad, why is
Dave here? It's not like he has no where else to hang out...
I don't know where you got the idea that nagging was a good thing, Dave, but
a lot of people disagree. Some vehemently. Please, if you're hoinestly doing
it for GREXes good, cut it out. If you're just trying to rabble rouse (what
it looks like to those of us who don't know you), then take it where it's
welcome. Please.
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mta
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response 58 of 77:
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Nov 10 18:56 UTC 1997 |
Ooops, Jan slipped in...
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scg
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response 59 of 77:
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Nov 10 20:38 UTC 1997 |
M-Net got their ISDN line while Grex's was in the planning stage. I think
Grex had anounced the intention to do it before M-Net did. M-Net definitely
had the acution first, and that was where Grexers got the idea. M-Net
definitely had a conferencing system first. I have no idea who had a
sightings item first.
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dpc
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response 60 of 77:
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Nov 11 00:07 UTC 1997 |
Grex had the sightings item first; I confess that I imported it to
M-Net, where it has caught on quite nicely.
Yes, M-Net was first with ISDN. M-Net was first with the
auction.
Please avoid the transparent defensive maneuvers, mta (and
others). As a Grexer my interest is in seeing that Grex *works*.
For the past several months, a variety of technical problems have
meant that it *hasn't* worked. Now we seem to be over the hump--
thank the Goddess.
If I didn't care about Grex I wouldn't be here, now would I?
Oh, tao--check your Cooking Conference on M-Net. Something
is burning. 8-)
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remmers
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response 61 of 77:
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Nov 11 10:41 UTC 1997 |
Grex has "worked" all along. Sometimes it's had more technical
problems than it has right now. Same is true of M-Net, of
course.
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tao
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response 62 of 77:
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Nov 11 14:23 UTC 1997 |
re 60: "Making sure that Grex works' won't be accomplished by
nagging, Dave, any more so than it has on MNet.
And as for the ISDN, auction, and other items, I'm talking
about what's going on currently. It's almost as if present
MNet activities are being cloned from whatever Grexers
think is cool to do at the moment. Fine and dandy. But
don't bring the MNet management style here, until MNet's
in better shape than is Grex.
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dpc
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response 63 of 77:
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Nov 14 03:01 UTC 1997 |
You've got backwards on ISDN and the auction, tao. Also, M-Net
was ahead of Grex on the Internet connection prior to ISDN, using
a 56K line for a while until it became too expensive and then going
to a 33.6K line. Not that it is a big deal; we all should want
both systems to be as useful as possible.
As to which is the "larger" system, M-Net has several times
the amount of materials being put into its conferences monthly as
Grex does. OTOH, Grex handles a much larger amount of e-mail than
M-Net does. Depends on what your priorities are, I guess.
With Grex' fixing of the power supply, I think the two systems
are in ruffly the same shape.
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remmers
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response 64 of 77:
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Nov 14 11:50 UTC 1997 |
(Nice euphemism, "materials". Now, let's do a quality
assessment... ;-)
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davel
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response 65 of 77:
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Nov 14 14:23 UTC 1997 |
heh
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mta
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response 66 of 77:
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Nov 14 15:55 UTC 1997 |
transparent defensive maneovers, eh? <grin> Sounds like I hit a nerve.
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kaplan
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response 67 of 77:
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Nov 14 19:18 UTC 1997 |
Grex started trying to get ISDN at a time when m-net could not afford
to upgrade. Good for grex. Despite grex's head start, m-net got its
ISDN connection up and running sooner than grex. Good for m-net. Who
stole the idea from who? Who cares!?
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richard
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response 68 of 77:
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Nov 14 19:29 UTC 1997 |
question now is who will get a T1 first...grex or mnet. Grex's main
goal now should be to find a way, any way, to get an afordable T1..
Grex must have a T1!
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tao
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response 69 of 77:
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Nov 14 20:28 UTC 1997 |
Heh. Meanwhile, MNet's got to stop crashing. Maybe MNet's staff
needs deadlines. :*
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dang
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response 70 of 77:
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Nov 14 22:42 UTC 1997 |
Meanwhile, this argument is completely meaningless from my point of view, and
devisive too. I don't particularly care who got what first. The fact that
M-Net and Grex can "borrow" good ideas from each other is great. I don't
happen to enjoy spending time on M-Net. Fine. Many M-Netters don't enjoy
spending time on Grex. Fine. That doesn't mean we need to fight over which
one is "better". They're different, just as two humans are different. Each
is "better" at different things. Fine. Dave is quite welcome to spend time
on both systems. He isn't the only one. He is also welcome to his own
opinions, and is free to state them. He doesn't need and "ulterior motive".
If you don't agree with his opinions, that too is fine. But please don't
start an argument and make accusations that have no actual basis. When Dave
claims that he is trying to hurt Grex to promote M-Net, then fell free to
lambaste him for it.
<set soapbox = off>
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dpc
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response 71 of 77:
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Nov 15 17:14 UTC 1997 |
What dang said.
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janc
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response 72 of 77:
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Nov 15 23:55 UTC 1997 |
M-Net and Grex are probably the only communially run public access systems
in the world. If we didn't borrow ideas from each other, who'd we borrow them
from?
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robh
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response 73 of 77:
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Nov 16 02:27 UTC 1997 |
We'd have to create another public access system, and then steal ideas
from them. >8)
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orinoco
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response 74 of 77:
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Nov 17 01:04 UTC 1997 |
Are such systems really _that_ unique?
What is it about Ann Arbor that we can support them and others can't?
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