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headdoc
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response 50 of 93:
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Oct 10 00:31 UTC 1997 |
I am making up armbands for all who will join me in wearing them.
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robh
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response 51 of 93:
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Oct 10 02:55 UTC 1997 |
I want an armband!
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valerie
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response 52 of 93:
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Oct 10 02:56 UTC 1997 |
This response has been erased.
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scg
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response 53 of 93:
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Oct 10 04:28 UTC 1997 |
And, for what it's worth, to answer Richard's question about whether the
non-staff board members were notified of Scott's identity, the answer is yes.
Scott sent out two pieces of mail, one to at least staff but maybe baff right
after it happened, explaining what had happened, and saying that he had
already called Marcus and Marcus was on his way over. Scott later sent mail
to baff, the board and staff mailing list, explaining the situation again.
Richard can go on all he wants trying to claim that this was a secret kept
from the board, but it simply is not true.
That said, I really don't see why this had to go public. People do make
mistakes. I imagine there are very few people who have been responsable for
any sort of at all complex system who have never done something that screwed
it up. Some mistakes are certainly a lot more serious than others.
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scg
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response 54 of 93:
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Oct 10 04:31 UTC 1997 |
And in the category of typo type mistakes, I hit control-D there before I
intended to. What I meant to say was that while some mistakes are a lot more
serious than others, the important thing is that it was fixable. In this
case, the much bigger mistake was the mistake by the staff as a whole in not
making regular backups. Had we had a recent backup, we would just have had
to restore one directory from a tape and would have been back up quite
quickly. Even without that, though, this didn't end up being all that
serious.
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supermom
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response 55 of 93:
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Oct 10 05:05 UTC 1997 |
From this item, I know that some people like dpc, seeker, and Richard, all
of them I think already knew who deleted the /etc files, but they like
to stab "that staff" in his/her back. What's the attitude of these people ?
and dpc, you are the M-net staff, if some day the same thing happens to
yourself, what's your feeling ? you want to confess that honestly ? I don't
think so. <sigh>
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senna
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response 56 of 93:
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Oct 10 06:15 UTC 1997 |
This item, to me, bears a striking resemblance to such storied pieces of
American history as the Mcarthy hearings. I just know richard will love that
analogy.
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n8nxf
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response 57 of 93:
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Oct 10 11:09 UTC 1997 |
This is absolutely ridicules! Not even people who deliberately destroy
things on this system are hung out like this.
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robh
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response 58 of 93:
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Oct 10 11:14 UTC 1997 |
Staffers are not gentlemen, and they do not understand being
treated like gentlemen!
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valerie
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response 59 of 93:
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Oct 10 20:08 UTC 1997 |
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mta
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response 60 of 93:
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Oct 10 20:10 UTC 1997 |
uh....huh?
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mta
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response 61 of 93:
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Oct 10 20:15 UTC 1997 |
Oops, Valerie slipped in. I was referring to Rob's "gentlemen" comment.
Oh, and Klaus has an excellent point. We don't publicly hang vandals --
but the staff doesn't deserve that much? Why?
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richard
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response 62 of 93:
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Oct 10 20:19 UTC 1997 |
Okay Im sorry if my methods sounded like too much of an attack. I just
didnt know why it had to be a secret. If I was Scott, I'd have felt
obliged to admit my error because it inconvenienced a lot of people.
But it was obviously an accident, so its obvious nothing more needs to
be said about it.
BTW, because Im not sure what you folks are thinking, no I am not
*Seeker* and if I had wanted to enter this item, which I didnt, I'd have
used my name as I always do. I agree that it isnt ethical to enter such
items and make such accusations unless you use your own name.
So who is/was Seeker anyway? I bet it was Robh, probably as a practical
joke to annoy Scott and knowing someone like me would respond to it.
Admit it Robh, you are Seeker! :)
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valerie
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response 63 of 93:
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Oct 10 20:39 UTC 1997 |
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dpc
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response 64 of 93:
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Oct 10 21:24 UTC 1997 |
Well, gee, Richard, I don't know what your point is because after all
Scott *did* confess in #32 above! And no, supermom, I'm not on the
M-Net staff, I'm on the Board of Directors. The only recent time
that our staff made a similar boo-boo (leaving a security hole open
allowing the entire System to be erased), he made his mistake public.
But there is no real conflict between the systems on this.
I don't think Grex people wanted to make a big deal of who accidentally
erased /etc/; neither do I.
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robh
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response 65 of 93:
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Oct 10 21:43 UTC 1997 |
<robh thanks karouac for actually putting a smiley in his response>
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mdw
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response 66 of 93:
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Oct 10 22:05 UTC 1997 |
Seeker dialed in direct. Unless seeker has one of Richard's long
distance phone cards, I think it's reasonable to suppose seeker is in
fact local. I saw speculation from some rather immature people in
m-net's party, speculating that it was another particular grex staff
member. Perhaps this item was meant to embarass that staff member
instead. As it happens, that staff member has put in a lot of hours
over the years dealing with computer vandals and with reaping people on
grex, so perhaps he's more visible as the "grex heavy" staff member than
the rest of us. That's really a shame, because he's actually one of the
nicest people I know, and really doesn't deserve that kind of censure,
at all.
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dpc
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response 67 of 93:
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Oct 11 22:17 UTC 1997 |
Hmm. That's interesting, Marcus. I don't hang out in M-Net's party,
so I didn't see those comments. However, as a Grex member I have
complete and utter faith in Scott. He has put countless hours into
the System and is a President Emeritus to boot. (And reboot.)
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senna
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response 68 of 93:
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Oct 12 06:02 UTC 1997 |
I'm not sure what the big deal is. The fact that you would do something a
certain way doesn't mean that other people would do it the same way. Not
everybody holds identical viewpoints. I don't really care who seeker is, and
the question to me is pretty much irrelevant. Goodnight.
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mta
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response 69 of 93:
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Oct 12 20:22 UTC 1997 |
Well, I think "seeker" showed a cowardly streak in hiding behind a pseudo to
stir up trouble. One thing I'll say for Richard is that I admire that fact
that when he has something to say, he says it in his own voice and owns up
to any flak that results.
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rcurl
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response 70 of 93:
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Oct 13 20:33 UTC 1997 |
It seems to me that it is appropriate for staff members to tell users what
they do on the system - for better or worse. What's the big deal? Some time
was lost in this case - in others some time is gained. I don't even understand
why it has become a big issue, because it isn't. At least, this is the
standard I would like to see maintained.
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tsty
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response 71 of 93:
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Oct 22 18:48 UTC 1997 |
what a mess - despite all the denials and protestations to the
contrary, 'whodunnit' is no damn body's business except staff.
and the only reason the event itself woulda/coulda become public
knowledge is because grex staff prides itself (properly so) with
stating 'what happened' when someting does 'happen.' and that
is a credit to the system.. we gain a knowledge base of
'things that happen.'
isolating some single staffer for a 'happenning' is thw worst
sort of political smear opportunity that exists.
in ohter words, kerouac, shut the fuck up, ain't none o' yo' bidness,
or mine either, for that matter.
unless, however, you should want to type in just as much text
in PRAISE for mdw (isolated single staffer for a 'happenning') who
single-handedly reconstructed the file .... certainly a worthy
'happenning' which just might 'smear' his political bank roll
upwards, bigger, better and wider.
but that is 180 degrees away from your policy, i perceive - too bad,
you had the chance to be a gentleman once. oh, well.
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mta
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response 72 of 93:
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Oct 22 18:55 UTC 1997 |
Excellent point, TS. It's a shame that Marcus' efforts didn't generate
even half as much stir as a momentary slip of the fingers.
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richard
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response 73 of 93:
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Oct 22 19:17 UTC 1997 |
ts I havent responded to this item in 2 weeks...the issue's dead...
read coop more often
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tsty
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response 74 of 93:
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Nov 11 03:26 UTC 1997 |
...but you *did* get here - ahhh, teh beauty of conferencing! thankxxx.
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