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mta
response 50 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 22:58 UTC 1997

I disagree.  I've liked cyberspace.org from the beginning because it's 
easy to remember, and I still do.

I say if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
valerie
response 51 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 23:22 UTC 1997

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valerie
response 52 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 23:22 UTC 1997

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robh
response 53 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 00:23 UTC 1997

Same here.
jenna
response 54 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 01:55 UTC 1997

Personally, I say two lines.
cyberspace.org (much mroe catchy)
and something with the word gre in it, (grex) liks 
"come grex with us" or whatnot
cmcgee
response 55 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 02:11 UTC 1997

Two-line bumper stickers are much more difficult to read than one line.
rcurl
response 56 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 06:29 UTC 1997

cyberspace.org = grex
jep
response 57 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 13:31 UTC 1997

I'm likely to put either on my car, which is aged and impossible to damage
with bumper stickers.  I don't mind paying a buck for a bumper sticker.
However, there seems to be enough funding to pay for the bumper stickers
already.  The emphasis has been said not to be income, but publicity.  Why
not give them away?  500 bumper stickers on people's cars will generate
more publicity than 150 on cars and 350 in a box somewhere.
krj
response 58 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 21:16 UTC 1997

There is $100 of pledged funds (from krj & mta); the information we have today 
is that the cost will be $175 -- + tax, I assume.  If the board wants to buy 
490 bumper stickers for the $75 + tax cost, that's fine with me and the board
can distribute the stickers as it thinks best.
 
(I'm peeling 5 stickers off the top for each of the project underwriters.)

Our laser printer kicked the bucket; who's got the stuff needed to 
produce "camera-ready" copy?  I'll prepare a draft sticker in MS Word.
richard
response 59 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 22:13 UTC 1997

how bout half of the bumper stickers with 
krj
response 60 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 22:42 UTC 1997

Because they don't price them that way, Richard.
jenna
response 61 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 02:47 UTC 1997

what about grex.cyberspace.org
doesn't that work?
senna
response 62 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 05:26 UTC 1997

We've got rights to one of the most distinctive domains on the internet.  I
don't think we should drop it for anything
jep
response 63 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 13:03 UTC 1997

No one has disagreed with that, senna.  The disagreement is which name is
more distinctive.

My point is partly that I think most people seeing the bumper sticker with 
"www.cyberspace.org" are going to remember "cyberspace" but use ".com" 
instead of ".org".  It turns out not to be a valid point, since there is
also, to my surprise, a "www.grex.com" out there.  <sigh>
aruba
response 64 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 19:00 UTC 1997

Yes, the existence of grex.com was what prompted the board to snap up grex.org
in the first place.

I think jep is right about people misremebering the .org part, unfortunately.
There are so many .com sites that a lot of people assume *everything* is .com
these days.  So, even though it's not very aesthetic, maybe the .org part
of our address should be in all caps (.ORG, I mean).  It's ugly, I know.
remmers
response 65 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 20:56 UTC 1997

I agree. (In fact, I suggested it back in response #23.)
aruba
response 66 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 5 21:22 UTC 1997

Right.  I didn't mean to imply it was my idea.  :)
janc
response 67 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 01:31 UTC 1997

www.cyberspace.org is better than grex.cyberspace.org because (1) it clues
them on what to do with this (put it in a browser) and (2) it is easier to
remember.

I'll vote for the board putting up the rest of the money, and the stickers
being given away to anyone who makes a donation of at least a dollar to Grex,
shows up at any Grex event (walk/board meeting/gno/etc), buys or donates an
auction item, or makes any purchase from the Grex store.  In other words,
anyone who does anything to make it either easy or worth our while to
deliver the sticker to him or her.  I'd think of this as a promotional
item more than a fund raising item.
jenna
response 68 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 03:56 UTC 1997

I would also offer to sell them (eg give a dollar get a bumper sticker)


krj
response 69 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 06:00 UTC 1997

Upon reflection, I am leaning towards putting the monochrome version 
of Rob Argy's Grex logo on the left of the design.  Anyone who wants 
only the URL can just cut the logo off.  :)   So it would look 
something like this:

          [ Logo ]    www.cyberspace.org


Of course the visual elements would be nicely balanced, which is 
impossible in this ascii representation.

I know Valerie and others would like color;  I *really* do not want to 
mess with preparing color camera-ready copy, or color printing.
scott
response 70 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 10:58 UTC 1997

I'll vote for funding for a bumper sticker.
aruba
response 71 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 17:56 UTC 1997

I will too.
srw
response 72 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 02:17 UTC 1997

Take a look at the file I just built. It is a grayscale gif file. I will 
print it out in black and white from a higher resolution version to get 
camera ready copy. The sticker itself will be printed in blue ink on 
white, so imagine that the black is blue.

http://www.wwnet.net/~srw/bumpersticker.gif

First let's agree on the design concepts.

I basically followed the design ideas posted here, but I had to deal 
with some issues. (1) You wanted it with light letters on a dark 
background, but the logo is designed to appear on a white background. 
Putting the logo on a dark background looks awful. I don't have a 
version of the logo that is antialiased against a black background 
instead of white. I might be able to do that, but it's a lot of work. .

So I put the logo on a white background on the left, taking up about 30% 
of the width, and put the www.cyberspace.org in reversed out letters on 
a dark background on the right 70%. Between the dark and light fields I 
have currently put a short gradient. It could easily be replaced with a 
sharp line. I like the division of the sticker into light and dark 
fields, but I don't know what you all think of it.

I also added a swoosh line under the "org" to draw attention to it. It 
could be removed if desired. 

Frankly, I surprised myself. I think it looks pretty good. What do you 
think? If we can decide these by consensus quickly, I can get it printed 
out for Ken. 
steve
response 73 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 03:00 UTC 1997

  It looks *great*.  I think I'd take off the swoosh, but it
looks really really good.
jep
response 74 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 13:51 UTC 1997

I think it looks terrific.  I didn't like the swoosh, either.  I think it
looks like a mistake.  But the intent is good.  It'd be good to have
something that emphasizes the "org" in the URL.
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