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mta
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response 50 of 134:
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Jan 8 21:03 UTC 1998 |
I'd look in on the DYI conference. I'm not very handy, but I might learn
something. ;)
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keesan
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response 51 of 134:
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Jan 9 00:34 UTC 1998 |
Klaus, I certainly did not intend to pressure you into being a fair witness,
I was just asking for volunteers and already got one. (Thanks, Scott). The
reason I was suggesting this conference is that I cannot figure out where to
write in with questions about repair topics which do not have to do with
houses or computers. For instance piano tuning does not seem to fit in a
discussion of music, classical or otherwise. May I, in the introduction, list
a number of possible discussion topics which would not exclude others? I was
thinking of a list like: tools, appliances (from lamps to refrigerators),
vehicles (bikes, wheelchairs, canoes), gadgets, home entertainment,
telephones, furniture, toys, clothing. Topics would relate not to the
purchase or use of these things but to making, maintaining, modifying or
repairing them. I could also suggest looking in dwellings, (computer)
hardware, laundry, radio, transportation, etc. for related topics. How many
lines long should an introduction be?
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keesan
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response 52 of 134:
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Jan 9 01:51 UTC 1998 |
Scott, could you write up the introduction to this conference? Something
including making, maintaining, and repairing of inanimate objects? Or use
your own judgment, you are more familiar with the bbs. I am still trying to
learn to use the Pico editor.
Thanks to all for suggestions, and please write in with problems and fixes
for them.
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cmcgee
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response 53 of 134:
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Jan 9 03:09 UTC 1998 |
The consumer conference might be a very good place for the kinds of things
keesan wants to talk about.
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keesan
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response 54 of 134:
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Jan 9 03:56 UTC 1998 |
There are some things that won't fit in the consumer conference, which seems
to be more about acquiring things than keeping them working. But I guess this
is still under discussion.
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cmcgee
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response 55 of 134:
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Jan 9 04:03 UTC 1998 |
*grin* Maybe this should be the ANTI-consumer conference, eh?
BTW whoever sets up this conference, could we have both DIY and Do It Yourself
as the conf names?
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keesan
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response 56 of 134:
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Jan 9 20:25 UTC 1998 |
I was going to make the very same suggestion, having discovered that it does
not matter whether I spell co-op or coop, dwelling or dwellings.
I count eight people interested in such a conference, and four who suggest
that there might be a lot of overlap with other conferences (hardware, ing,
consumer, and Valerie also suggested dwelling, laundry and radio). Can we
try a DIY conference and if there is insufficient interest or too many linked
items, delete (or remove or kill or whatever) it? Should it be listed
directly after Consumer (which would give it that Anti-Consumer touch) and
before Dwelling, or as a Hobby?
Scott, let me know if you are willing to do whatever else is required. I have
not had much luck drawing a wrench with X's.
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gibson
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response 57 of 134:
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Jan 10 04:02 UTC 1998 |
Count me # 9.
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n8nxf
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response 58 of 134:
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Jan 10 15:08 UTC 1998 |
No, keesan, I did not get the feeling you were pressuring me. I just wanted
to explain my position.
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valerie
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response 59 of 134:
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Jan 10 22:41 UTC 1998 |
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bmoran
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response 60 of 134:
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Jan 11 01:18 UTC 1998 |
Count me #10 (this should confuse her even more).
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gibson
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response 61 of 134:
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Jan 11 08:19 UTC 1998 |
in #56 cindy counts 8 people interested in such a conference.
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remmers
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response 62 of 134:
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Jan 11 13:58 UTC 1998 |
(A specific number of interested parties is not required
to start a conference, in any case.)
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valerie
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response 63 of 134:
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Jan 11 15:12 UTC 1998 |
This response has been erased.
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keesan
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response 64 of 134:
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Jan 11 18:49 UTC 1998 |
Thinking it over, and considering that people are now said to 'consume' even
services, such as 'mental health consumers', I like the idea of a heading such
as
Do It Yourself
The Anti-Consumer Conference
Are we supposed to have a picture, and if so, any ideas and can someone
volunteer to draw it?
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rcurl
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response 65 of 134:
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Jan 11 19:24 UTC 1998 |
"anti-consumer"? Seems more to be "smart-consumer".
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keesan
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response 66 of 134:
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Jan 11 23:39 UTC 1998 |
I think the idea was that instead of purchasing goods or services, you would
do it yourself. A good consumer purchases things and throws them out, rather
than keeping them going or making them. Anyway, that was someone else's
suggestion (I can't recall whose, is there some easy way to back up?) and
maybe they want to explain it.
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keesan
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response 67 of 134:
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Jan 12 00:32 UTC 1998 |
Maybe 'non-consumer' instead? Do It Yourself, the conference for
non-consumers?
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keesan
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response 68 of 134:
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Jan 12 00:34 UTC 1998 |
Anti-consumer was Colleen's idea.
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arthurp
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response 69 of 134:
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Jan 12 04:59 UTC 1998 |
So are we almost ready to make this? Maybe I should set it all up and let
the FW's start their work? I'm temped to make it since I like the idea.
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rcurl
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response 70 of 134:
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Jan 12 08:15 UTC 1998 |
A *good* consumer consumes carefully and wisely, recycles, and fixes
things. All humans are consumers, but how one does it makes a difference.
I certainly put myself into the diy category but also try to be a smart
consumer.
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aruba
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response 71 of 134:
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Jan 12 08:40 UTC 1998 |
I think it depends on who you ask - an economist might say that a good
consumer is someone who buys a lot of stuff. But I'm with you, Rane. Maybe
we could say "responsible consumer" or "efficient consumer"?
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remmers
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response 72 of 134:
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Jan 12 12:06 UTC 1998 |
Re #69: This proposal has had substantially more discussion
than is normally required before creating a conference, so
it's certainly legit to go ahead and create it, especially
if it's been decided who the fw's are going to be.
The policy has always been that if a proposer still wants
the conference after a few days of discussion here, and
at least one fw has materialized, then the conference is
created. Doesn't depend on whether a cfadm likes the idea
or not. So it's basically up to keesan at this point.
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keesan
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response 73 of 134:
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Jan 12 16:43 UTC 1998 |
Go ahead. How about just the Do it Yourself Conference as a header, and we
can stop arguing about what is a consumer. (If you cut your own hair, are
you a consumer?). I will refrain from attempting to draw a do it yourselfer.
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other
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response 74 of 134:
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Jan 12 17:40 UTC 1998 |
unless you made the tool with which you cut your hair, by hand and without
using any other tools, yes, you *are* a consumer.
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