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omni
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response 50 of 156:
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Sep 28 05:47 UTC 1999 |
It's not the performer as it is the particular music being presented. I have
heard some awfully dreadful Wagner, that I fall asleep to about 5 minutes into
the CD. I don't care if The Who is playing it at 160 db it is still boring.
I more of a Mozart/Bach/Rimsky-Korsakov fan, and I'm of the opinion that
there is no boring way to play "Flight of the Bumblebee" That is, unless
you're my neighbor. Then it sounds more like "Flight of the Housefly"
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oddie
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response 51 of 156:
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Sep 30 04:40 UTC 1999 |
I don't think anybody who has heard Steve Reich's _Tehillim_ (a setting of
four psalms in the original Hebrew) could think minimalism boring...
(However, the program notes to it do say that "Steve Reich has been moving
away from the minimalist aesthetic for some time, but with this piece the
shift becomes unmistakable." or something close to that.)
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dbratman
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response 52 of 156:
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Sep 30 22:10 UTC 1999 |
Jonathan, that parenthetical comment brings up the problem of the
definition of "minimalism". The stuff the term was originally coined to
refer to is exceedingly long-breathed and motionless, and while a rare
few find it entrancing, to most people it is very boring indeed.
Neither Reich nor Glass writes like that now, but none of the stuff
they're famous for is like that. When most people talk about
minimalism, they mean what Reich and Glass have been writing for the
last 25 years, including _Tehillim_, and that's the sort of stuff Sveja
is referring to. To his credit, he doesn't usually say "minimalism".
By "the minimalist aesthetic", your program note writer means strict
minimalism.
Dr. Teeth, it can be either the music or the performer. I've heard
deservedly forgotten works presented well, with passion and conviction.
I've also heard terribly boring performances of Mozart. (Mozart is
harder to play well than one might think.)
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omni
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response 53 of 156:
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Oct 1 07:33 UTC 1999 |
Right, I know what you mean. I have a version of Pachelbel's Canon which
is simply performed way way too fast, and it sounds shitty, well, shittier
than it usually is. Then again, there is the version I have on a cheapo record
that is really nice. Go figure.
The point I was trying to make is that in most cases, you just cannot make
a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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dbratman
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response 54 of 156:
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Oct 6 18:12 UTC 1999 |
That's true, but one man's sow may be another man's silkworm.
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md
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response 55 of 156:
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Jan 20 19:35 UTC 2000 |
Just picked up the CD with the premiere recordings
of Elliott Carter's Clarinet Concerto and "Symphonia:
sum fluxae pretium spei." The latter is a 45-minute
piece in 3 movements based on a poem called "Bulla"
("The Bubble") written in Latin by 17th c Brit poet
Richard Crashaw. It is Carter's longest work, and,
after his Concerto for Orchestra and Symphony of
Three Orchestras, his greatest orchestral work. If
you're a Carter fan, you'll understand what I mean
when I say that it has the ability to surprise you
with every single note -- you never would've predicted
what comes next -- and yet, after you've heard it, it
seems inevitable, as if Carter couldn't've done it
any other way. How he does that has been the subject
of much debate and analysis, but I tink it just comes
down to genius. Carter was 88 years old when he
completed these two works, and, as far as I know, is
alive and well and still composing at the age of 91.
An absolutely amazing guy.
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coyote
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response 56 of 156:
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Mar 12 05:00 UTC 2000 |
Sounds very interesting. I think I'll look to see if the library has any of
his works.
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md
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response 57 of 156:
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Apr 2 15:31 UTC 2000 |
An EMI CD rerelease of some Vaughan Wiliams music:
An Oxford Elegy; Sancta Civitas; Flos Campi; and
Whitsuntide Hymn.
Flos Campi is Vaughan Williams in full-blown
pantheist/mystical mode. It's almost on a par with
the Pastoral Symphony and the Fantasia on a Theme
by Thomas Tallis. I've always heard the influence
of Ravel in this piece. RVW had been studying with
him, and was obviously under the spell of Daphnis
and Chloe when he wrote Flos Campi. (Wordless choir,
wind-blowing-in-the-trees sort of thing.) It isn't
easy to get your ears around: you've just sunk into
the disorientingly dense bitonal opening, thinking
my aren't we modern, when that fruity choir comes in.
Gustav Holst, who was a greatfriend and supporter
of RVW, claimed he never did "get" Flos Campi. Imho,
this is the one piece where RVW comes completely
unbuttoned. But it's definitely worth a listen.
An Oxford Elegy is one of my all-time favorite RVW
pieces. It's for orchestra, choir and speaker. The
speaker reads lines from Matthew Arnold's poems "Thyrsis"
and "The Scholar-Gypsy," and the choir sometimes sings
the words, sometimes vocalises. The music is absolutely
ravishing. The only CD of this piece up until now has
been one by a horrible American ensemble. This new CD
is like a giant sigh of relief for me, since I don't
have to dust off my old LP of this performance anymore.
Sancta Civitas is a major work for chorus and orchestra.
Along with Flos Campi, it was the most "modern" of RVW's
compositions until the 4th symphony. Tremendous music
on religious themes from a "Christian agnostic."
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dbratman
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response 58 of 156:
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Apr 5 17:30 UTC 2000 |
Thanks for the review, Michael: I saw this disk in the store and was
thinking about it. I'd never heard of the Oxford Elegy before.
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coyote
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response 59 of 156:
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Apr 8 21:59 UTC 2000 |
Re 56:
The library did not have that new recording, so I checked out one that had
the Holiday Overture, the Suite from Pocahontas, and Syringa on it. I had
certain preconceptions about what it was going to sound like from the
description of Carter's music in #55, but it didn't match my
preconceptions, so I was a little disappointed. I should probably listen
to it again now that I'm not expecting any particular sound, to give it a
fair chance.
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md
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response 60 of 156:
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Apr 9 12:31 UTC 2000 |
I think those are all older pieces (except maybe
Syringa?). Carter's style changed radically in
the late 1940s/early 1950s.
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coyote
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response 61 of 156:
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Apr 17 21:12 UTC 2000 |
Right, Syringa is from sometime during the 70s. Are there any pieces in
particular that you'd recommend? I'll make another pilgramage to the library
to see if they have any of them.
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md
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response 62 of 156:
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Apr 17 23:19 UTC 2000 |
I would recommend Carter's Concerto for Orchestra,
composed in the late 1960s. One British composer has
asserted that it occupies the same position with respect
to his generation of composers that Stravinsky's Rite of
Spring occupied for Carter's generation. That is, it is
the aesthetic touchstone against which all one's efforts
are measured. I realize that is a huge burden to place on
this one composition, but I believe the Concerto for
Orchestra supports it. (I'm always reluctant to get anyone
started on Carter's music, because unlike Barber or Copland,
who were Carter's near-contemporaries, Carter's music
doesn't have any popular, much less populist, appeal. Only
a snob or a phony could love it, or pretend to love it.
Well, I really honestly truly do love it. Really. I swear.
I don't know what else to say.)
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md
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response 63 of 156:
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May 13 14:31 UTC 2000 |
Picked up a CD rerelease of Ernest Bloch's two
Concerti Grossi and the rhapsody for cello and
orchestra called "Schelomo," all conducted by
Howard Hanson on Mercury. For good measure, I also
bought a brand-new CD of Bloch's Avodat Hakodesh
performed by a South African orchestra & chorus.
The Concerto Grosso #1 was the first Bloch music I
ever heard. I liked it immediately, as I suspect
everyone does on first hearing this engaging neo-
baroque piece. The second Concerto Grosso and Schelomo
are both equally listenable, but CG #1 rules.
Bloch was a Swiss composer who came to the USA in the
late 1930s because he was Jewish and feared for his life.
The Jewish element in his music is sometimes criticised
as being overly colorful and superficial. That may or
may not be. All I know is that I practically wore out my
LP of Leonard Berstein conducting the Avodat Hakodesh,
which is the Jewish morning service. This new recording
isn't as good, but the haunting beauty is still mostly
there. It starts out a tiny bit like Brahms' Deutches
Requiem, but it is soon suffused with a morning radiance
that stays with it until the final section, where the
morning changes to mourning for the Kaddish. The tzur
yisroel still give me goosebumps. The omein at the
end of the yih'yu still brings tears to my eyes. Now I
have to see if the Bernstein version has been released
on CD yet.
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md
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response 64 of 156:
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May 13 14:41 UTC 2000 |
[Btw, in this recording of Avodat Hakodesh, the
word "adoshem" replaces "adonai." I know that
"adonai" (lord) or "hashem" (the name) are spoken
when the word YHVH appears in Jewish prayers and
scripture, but "adoshem" is new to me. It's kind
of jarring to hear "shema yisrael, adoshem elohenu,
adoshem echad." If anyone can explain, please do.]
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md
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response 65 of 156:
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May 13 15:18 UTC 2000 |
My apologies for this drift, but I think I might've
found the answer on http://www.jewfaq/com/
"Although the prohibition on pronunciation applies only
to the four-letter Name [ie, YHVH], Jews customarily do
not pronounce any of God's many Names except in prayer or
study. The usual practice is to substitute letters or
syllables, so that Adonai becomes Adoshem . . ."
Bloch's Avodat Hakodesh is not strictly either prayer or
study. It's a musical composition that uses the words of
the Jewish service as text. Therefore, adoshem rather than
adonai. I realize it isn't wise even for a Jew to try and
second-guess the rabbinical authorities, much less for a
gentile to do so, but that's my theory.
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md
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response 66 of 156:
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May 13 15:24 UTC 2000 |
Make that http://www.jewfaq.org/. Sorry.
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dbratman
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response 67 of 156:
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May 17 17:05 UTC 2000 |
I am very fond of Bloch's Concerto Grosso No. 1, and wish he'd written
more like it. The other work of his I like most is the Piano Quintet,
which dates from around the same period. His echt-Jewish music, like
the famous Schelomo and the above-mentioned Avodet Hakodesh, is of less
appeal to me.
The day that it becomes forbidden for Jews to argue with rabbinical
authority is the day I turn in my Jewish union card. (No, there isn't
really such a thing as a Jewish union card.) Jews are already forbidden
to say God's real Name (the Tetragrammaton, the one spelled YHWH in
Roman characters); it seems to me silly the way some observant Jews go
into contortions to avoid saying the substitutes which aren't even His
Name, and "G-d", which they often write, looks like a dirty word (a la
"s-x" or "f--k"). God wasn't impressed when Adam and Eve tried to hide
themselves under fig leaves; why should he be impressed by a dash?
But that's my opinion. Have two Jews: get three opinions.
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coyote
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response 68 of 156:
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Jun 7 02:43 UTC 2000 |
Re way back there:
I was unsuccessful in finding a recording of Carter's Concerto for Orchestra.
Oh, well. I've got a large stack of music around here right now that I
haven't listened to yet anyways, before I go looking for new stuff.
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oddie
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response 69 of 156:
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Jun 21 05:05 UTC 2000 |
I recently got a new recording of Steve Reich's _Music for 18 Musicians_,
written and originally recorded in 1976. I had previously heard only Reich's
later work including _Tehillim_, _New York Counterpoint_, and _City Life_,
so this piece was a bit more minimalist and took me a bit longer to get into.
I actually found it rather boring the first time I listened to it (it is
written in 14 sections, but they don't have as distinct characters as the
4 movements of _Tehillim_ or the 5 of _City Life_), but now I find it
simply gorgeous...
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md
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response 70 of 156:
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Jun 21 12:41 UTC 2000 |
I always liked Vladimir Ashkenazy's performance of
Prokofiev's 3rd piano concerto, so I picked up the
2-cd set of Ashkenazy playing all five Prokofiev
piano concertos, Andre Previn conducting. Prokofiev
was kind of a lightweight, imho, but still plenty
enjoyable. Ashkenazy is amazing in these performances.
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md
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response 71 of 156:
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Feb 28 18:17 UTC 2001 |
I'm not a real Ashkenazy fan, but for some reason when I recently felt
like getting some CD collections of Beethoven's piano sonatas and
Sibelius's symphonies, I ended up with Ashkenazy playing the Beethoven
and conducting the Sibelius. The CD sonata collection conatins
the "named" sonatas: Waldstein, Pathetique, Pastoral, Moonlight, Les
Adieux, etc. The sound is way superior to my old Alfred Brendel LP
set, but the playing isn't as good. I hear something a little vulgar
and overdone in Ashkenazy sometimes. It comes close to ruining the
Waldstein. It works better on the Sibelius symphonies. In fact, he
reins it in to just the right degree on the 6th, where the endings of
the first and second movements need to sound as if a beautiful woman
has quietly but unexpectedly walked out of the room.
I've been working my way through an 8-CD set of Adrian Boult conducting
Vaughan Williams' 9 symphonies and selected other orchestral music.
Boult is still unsurpassed. His recording of the pretentiously named
and very uneven ballet score "Job: A Masque for Dancing" brings out the
best in it, which is very nearly the best RVW ever did. The cloud of
dissonance that the first theme dissolves into leaves me dizzy.
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dbratman
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response 72 of 156:
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Feb 28 22:20 UTC 2001 |
I dislike Ashkenazy as a conductor, because he hums very loudly. Can't
fault his interpretations, though.
Boult is certainly the definitive RVW conductor, though I am very fond
of Previn's rendition of the Sea Symphony, which treats the voices very
much as if they were instruments. The Sea Symphony has always
impressed me because it makes Whitman's poetry sound lyrical, which I
would have thought was impossible. Job is a masterpiece of its kind:
perhaps it comes across as uneven because, unlike a symphony, a ballet
is not intended to work as a single entity at a profound level. I am
unwure what you consider pretentious about its name. It's called "Job"
because it's about him: what's pretentious about that? Surely you
don't consider "A Masque for Dancing" to be pretentious: that's about
as modest a description of a ballet as ever coined.
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md
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response 73 of 156:
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Mar 1 17:35 UTC 2001 |
Okay I take it back.
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md
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response 74 of 156:
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Oct 24 02:41 UTC 2001 |
With the new BBC Music mag comes a CD called "Baltic Voyage," works by
Estonian composers Villem Kapp, Arvo Part and Eduard Tubin, conducted
by Neeme, Paavo and Kristjan Jarvi, respectively. (DSO conductor Neeme
Jarvi and his two sons.)
I don't know what I expected, but it wasn't this. The symphonies by
Kapp and Tubin and the short "Cantus in Memory of Benjamin Britten" by
Part all sound like movie music. Very professional movie music, in a
Howard Hansonish sort of way, in the case of Kapp and Tubin, but movie
music nonetheless. (The Part piece sounds sort of minimalist, sort of
Goreckioid. Seven minutes of orchestra without music.) None of these
works is even as daring as, say, Soviet or American populist
modernism. I am attracted enough to this kind of music to want to
listen to more of it. Has anyone else here (if there *is* anyone else
here) heard any music by these composers?
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