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hematite
response 50 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 00:16 UTC 1998

Or for those who have never seen it, such as myself, until last night. I
concur with iggy, it was a wonderful movie. I personally loved the 
costuming, but I'm a costume freak. I would have loved to be able to wear
what the 'belle's' did back then, so beatiful.(If uncomfortable..)
albaugh
response 51 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 07:54 UTC 1998

The "non-PC" parts?  Such as what?
beeswing
response 52 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 22:24 UTC 1998

Oh you know, things like when Scarlett slaps Prissy (a black slave), when
Scarlett's dad uses the word "darkies", that sorta thing.

What I found most disturbing is near the end, when Rhett is drunk and torments
Scarlett about her love for Ashley Wilkes. He threatens her with bodily harm,
then grabs her and carries her up the stairway to teach her a lesson... in
other words, now that he's threatened her, he's turned on and wants assert his
power by doing her, the fact that she is less than willing notwithstanding (she
struggles to get away, but in a weak-fisted manner, and then submits after all
of 15 seconds). The next morning she wakes up all happy and content after being
disciplined.

And the worst part? Most everyone in the theater cheered.
iggy
response 53 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 23:48 UTC 1998

not to mention the 'political meetings' were klan activities.
omni
response 54 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 07:02 UTC 1998

 being too PC can ruin anything. Please lighten up. After all, it's just a
movie.
wolfg676
response 55 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 10:24 UTC 1998

Agreed. If you want to see a PC movie, go see almost anything Disney. Who,
I note, has yet to (re-)release "Song of the South" because the're afraid they
might offend somebody. Anyone see that joke commercial for Disney's "Titey"
on SNL?
scott
response 56 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 11:06 UTC 1998

Disney is PC?  You totally sure about that?  ;)
omni
response 57 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 13:28 UTC 1998

  I saw "Song of the South" as a child, and I even grew up with the Joel
Chandler Harris stories, and gee, I'm still a well balanced person. My views
are such that I think everyone has a right to a piece of the pie, no matter
where they come from beit Africa, or anywhere else.
  I learned some of my most basic life lessons from listening to Harris's Brer
Rabbit, especially "Brer rabbit and the Tar Baby" which has always been one
of my favorites. That one taught me that things sometimes *look* simple when
viewed on the surface, but are most always more complicated once you get into
them, and soon there is a point where you wish you had never saw it.

  I think disney lacks backbone, and courage. Because of PCism, we will lose
most if not all of our culture because someone somewhere might be offended.
Where does the book burning line form?
iggy
response 58 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 15:43 UTC 1998

in my review,i said it was a great movie, but the
non-pc parts made me uncomfortable.
so... now i'm being labeled as uptight and a
book burner because i'm uncomfortable with klan activities?
sheese!
rcurl
response 59 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 17:08 UTC 1998

Why does Disney (studios) need backbone or courage when they are raking
in so much money? Most backbone and courage appears from among those
that give less high regard to money.
beeswing
response 60 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 17:50 UTC 1998

Sometimes it's just real subtle. Like in _Beauty and the Beast_, in the
beginning there is a song about Belle, the main character. I don't remember the
exact lyrics, but it talks about how she is weird because she likes to read
books and is smart. Who's the main group to watch this film? Yep, young girls.
Hmph.
albaugh
response 61 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 20:54 UTC 1998

Nobody says you have to like or approve one person slapping another.  But
seeing it in a movie makes you uncomfortable?  Puh-leeze.  Label the character
violent or something, but deal with it.  And hearing 19th-century characters
using the term - gasp! - DARKIES - again, deal with it:  They did a lot worse
things in the 19th century.  But it's stupid to try and whitewash history by
making movies that PC-ize what really happened.
coyote
response 62 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 20:59 UTC 1998

Disney just re-released Peter Pan on video, I believe.  I wonder if they
managed to change that so it's PC or are leaving it "Why is the Red Man Red?"
and "Why does the Red Man say 'Ugh'"?
remmers
response 63 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 21:22 UTC 1998

Re #61: Saying that seeing something in a movie makes you
"uncomfortable" isn't the same thing as saying that you think
such things shouldn't be in films, or that you can't "deal
with it". Reminders of the less savory historical aspects
of our interracial and intergender make me "uncomfortable"
too, I suppose. But I think we need those reminders.

It's interesting to read these defensive over-reactions to
what was a pretty innocuous statement on iggy's part.
albaugh
response 64 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 21:27 UTC 1998

Hey, doncha know that it's PC to be anti-PC?!  ;-)
arianna
response 65 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 21:36 UTC 1998

I saw _Ghost In The Shell_ last night; great amime flick!  I'd read the
graphic novel before seeing the movie, which helped immensely in follwoing
the somewhat confusing storyline.  There were some good parts that got left
out of the movie, but there was some beatufiul eyecandy scenes in the movie
that the novel would've been hard-pressed to recreate.
karmic
response 66 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 23:25 UTC 1998

It's a GOOD sign if things like racism in movies make you "uncomfortable".
If you're perfectly comfortable with such things, worry. :)
other
response 67 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 00:26 UTC 1998

Why should we be uncomfortable with depictions of racism, sexism, brutality,
or other -isms, if they are being depicted as part of life in an era in which
they were part of life?  Should we go back through all our historical fiction
and update it to eliminate all such references which might offend someone?

Please!  If you are uncomfortable with it, that's your own issue.  It doesn't
mean you're a racist if you are comfortable with such depictions.
karmic
response 68 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 03:14 UTC 1998

I never said we should take things out of movies.  I think it's important
to see all that bad stuff, within its historical context.  What I'm saying
is, it's good to be uncomfortable with the -isms themselves.
krj
response 69 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 04:05 UTC 1998

Campus film groups live!  #1:
 
U. Mich's Center for Japanese Studies is hosting a Toshiro Mifune 
film festival.  Films will run Friday at 7 pm, Lorch Hall, beginning
Friday July 17 and continuing for six weeks.  Of particular 
interest to me is:
  RASHOMON: July 24:  1951 Academy Award, Best Foreign Film 
    -- one of those classics which I have never gotten around to seeing
  THE SEVEN SAMURAI:  July 31:  1954 Academy Award, Best Foreign Film
    -- an old favorite, one I want to drag my wife to see, though 
       she'll probably complain about how violent and macho it is.
       It's as long as "Titanic," so I hope Lorch Hall is air conditioned.
The Mifune film series is free.
coyote
response 70 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 04:48 UTC 1998

Subtitled?  Dubbed?
jep
response 71 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 15:03 UTC 1998

I saw the movie "Anaconda" on video over the weekend.  It featured flat, 
indistinguishable characters, a plot with little direction and less 
interest, and expensive looking but unrealistic graphics.  I don't 
watch a lot of movies -- this may have been the worst I've ever seen.  
My 7 year old said after the movie that anacondas are constrictors, not 
pit vipers, and that the mouth of the snake looked more like that of a 
pit viper.  He mistakes cynicism for sophistication at times, but I have 
no reason to doubt his analysis.

He and I saw "Godzilla" again at the local $2 theater.  I still liked 
it.  Especially compared to "Anaconda".  I explained to my kid that the 
female lead deserved to be allowed to outgrow her past, but after 
leaving the guy without talking to him, then stealing his top-secret 
tape and exploiting her relationship to advance her career, she did not 
deserve any affection or respect from him.  As I told him "I wouldn't 
have her on toast".  He just liked the giant lizard.  He said it walked 
like a komodo dragon while it was underground.

My wife and I watched "Volcano" on Sunday evening on video tape.  I 
thought this could have been a lot more spectacular of a movie.  Not a 
lot happened that I find myself now, 2 days later, caring about or 
remembering very much.  It was much too tense for a 7 year old, with a 
few pretty ugly scenes of burned-up people, so I'm glad we watched it 
before the kids did.
remmers
response 72 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 15:26 UTC 1998

(Disaster movies seem to be in fashion at the Perry household... ;-)
jep
response 73 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 16:06 UTC 1998

Monster movies.  7 year olds like monster movies.  We've had a couple of 
older Godzilla movies, and King Kong is at the house right now, too.  
Last night we started watching "Gremlins" -- I haven't seen it, so I 
don't know if it qualifies.  "Volcano" was a departure from the summer 
theme.
maeve
response 74 of 290: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 20:10 UTC 1998

back to Gone With the Wind...after reading the book (twice I think), I"m going
to have to be uncharacteristic and say that the power struggle was what
Scarlett liked about Rhett...she always wanted what she couldn't have..<shrug>
some people like that sort of thing..
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