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keesan
response 50 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 02:52 UTC 2006

Is there a shorter way to write multiple ! in linux, .!* or something?
cross
response 51 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 03:02 UTC 2006

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kingjon
response 52 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 03:07 UTC 2006

There's a way to *output* several. The "jot" command (but on Grex you have to
specify /usr/bin/jot because /usr/local/bin/jot is part of the Orville Write
package and comes first in the $PATH). !man jot

cross
response 53 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 03:13 UTC 2006

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rcurl
response 54 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 05:31 UTC 2006

Re #45: don't blame KLG's "sources". Consider the conveyor of those lies as
their originator. 
klg
response 55 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 12:00 UTC 2006

and Curl Exposed - - RW and Curl Exposed - - RW and Curl Exposed - - RW


Who is LYING (again)???  RW and Curl or Infoplease.com??  (I put my 
money on the first two characters.)

"Maddox, Lester G., 1915 , U.S. public official, governor of Georgia 
(1967 71), b. Atlanta.  He achieved national notoriety in 1964 when he 
drove African Americans from his restaurant in defiance of federal 
civil-rights legislation and then closed the establishment rather than 
desegregate it.  Elected (1966) governor as an avowed segregationist 
with the support of the Ku Klux Klan, he was unable to stem the tide of 
integration.  Although prevented by the state constitution from 
succeeding himself as governor, HE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ELECTED LIEUTENANT 
GOVERNOR (1971 75).  He lost the 1974 primary election for the 
Democratic gubernatorial nomination."

"Carter, Jimmy (James Earl Carter, Jr.), 1924 , 39th President of the 
United States (1977 81), b. Plains, Ga, grad. Annapolis, 1946.  Carter 
served in the navy, where he worked with Admiral Hyman G. Rickover in 
developing the nuclear submarine program.  Resigning his commission 
(1953) after his father's death, he ran his family's peanut farm, which 
he built into a prosperous business.  In 1962 he was elected as a 
Democrat to the first of two terms in the Georgia Senate.  HE RAN 
UNSUCCESSFULLY FOR GOVERNOR IN 1966, THEN SUCCEEDED IN 1970, replacing 
Lester Maddox."

And, the information previously posted shows that Carter, if he was not 
actually a segregationist, was willing to play to those bases 
sentiments in order to be elected.  Is that the sort of person you want 
to be a "leader" of the Democrats?"  (Oops.  Silly question.) 


Curl Exposed - - RW and Curl Exposed - - RW and Curl Exposed - - RW and 
richard
response 56 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 15:45 UTC 2006

klg I lived in georgia at the time, Carter's lt. governor was Zell "give'em
hell" Miller, who by the way Carter now calls a traitor.  Lester Maddox lost
the 1974 gubernatorial primary BECAUSE CARTER ENDORSED HIS OPPONENT, George
Busbee, who subsequently served two terms as governor.
klg
response 57 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 17:12 UTC 2006

Keep shoveling, RW.   I guess the Biographical Directory of the U.S. 
Congress is also lying:

MILLER, Zell Bryan, (1932 - ) 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Senate Years of Service: 2000-2005 
Party: Democrat 
 
MILLER, Zell Bryan, a Senator from Georgia; born in Young Harris, 
Georgia, on February 24, 1932; graduated Young Harris College 1951; 
served in U.S. marine corps 1953-1956; graduated University of Georgia 
1957, Masters  degree 1958; businessman; professor of political science 
and history; mayor of Young Harris 1959-1960; Georgia state senator 
1961-1964; member, state Board of Pardons and Paroles 1973-1975; 
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF GEORGIA 1975-1991; Governor of Georgia 1991-
1999; appointed on July 24, 2000, as a Democrat to the United States 
Senate to fill the vacancy caused by the death of Paul Coverdell; took 
the oath of office on July 27, 2000; elected as a Democrat to the 
United States Senate in a November 2000 special election for the 
remainder of the term ending January 3, 2005; was not a candidate for 
election in 2004; member, American Battle Monuments Commission, 2005-.


Are you absolutely certain that Busbee won because of Carter's 
endorsement, or are you confusing cause and effect with coincidence 
once again???
rcurl
response 58 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 17:54 UTC 2006

My research (in Kestenbaum's "Political Graveyard" shows that KLG is 
correct. Lester Maddox was Lieutenant Governor of Georgia for the same 
period that Jimmy Carter was Governor. In Georgia these are independent 
offices and not elected on a joint ticket. The only duty of the LG of 
Georgia at the time was to preside over the Georgia Senate. Whatever was 
the (uneasy)  relation between Carter and Maddox, Carter nevertheless:

"Four years after his defeat, Carter ran for Governor again and won. As 
Governor of Georgia, Carter worked hard to heal the state's racial 
divisions, announcing in his inaugural address that "the time for racial 
discrimination is over." It was an unprecedented statement for a southern 
governor, but Carter made good on his words. He increased the number of 
African American state employees by 40 percent and hung portraits of 
Martin Luther King Jr. and other notable black Georgians in the state 
capitol. He equalized the funding of schools in rich and poor districts of 
the state, and created new educational facilities for prisoners and the 
developmentally disabled."

(http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/car0bio-1)

So any attempt to associate the segregationist policies of Maddox with 
Carter is an enormous lie.
richard
response 59 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 18:25 UTC 2006

and since klg openly supports many racist politicians, such as Jesse Helms
and Rick Santorum, I find him highly hypocritical to be using that to
criticize Carter.  if carter was republican, and had been racist which he's
not, klg couldn't have card less.  
happyboy
response 60 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 18:30 UTC 2006

he also seems to like
anne "invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert 
them all to christianity" coulter

klg is a fascist, period.
cross
response 61 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 18:36 UTC 2006

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tod
response 62 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 18:39 UTC 2006

She'd make a good junkie hooker.
bru
response 63 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 19:18 UTC 2006

so we invaded another country or two, kicked their asses into submission, and
turned them into democratic states so the people could have a chance at a
descent life.  Big deal.

Fact is, despite you whineing, it seems to have worked.  Both Iraq and
Afganistan have held free elections and formed governments that are supported
by the majority of the people in those countries.  It isn't over yet, adn
won't be over for many years to come.  But it does seem to be working.

Jimmy carter FAILED as a president for the most part.  Was he a good, God
fearing, descent man?  Yes.  Was he intelligent?  Yes.  Was he a weak willed
easily manipulated by foreign powers take action only when cornered president?
YES!  What he should have done with Iran was launch an all out invasion
co-ordinated with a massive rescue of the hostages.  Because he didn't, Iran
is what it is today, an even bigger threat to world security, and he lost the
election to Ronald Reagan.  

A man who they knew would not sit and play paddycake with them for 444 days,
and so they turned their hostages over to him immediately.

Oh, and lest we forget, who was it that set the FBI to investigate and wiretap
and surrvaolance Mr. and Mrs. King?  Was it REagan?  No.  Was it Bush? No.
Was it Nixon?  No.  Was it John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy and
that hero of the great society Lyndon Baines Johnson?  Yes.
marcvh
response 64 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 19:45 UTC 2006

Are we to believe that Bru still doesn't know the real story of why Iran
released the hostages?
tod
response 65 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 19:45 UTC 2006

 so we invaded another country or two, kicked their asses into submission,
 turned them into democratic states so the people could have a chance at a
 descent life.  Big deal.

The big deal is that we never found WMD nor did we capture bin Laden.
The big deal is that 19 of the hijackers were Sauds and we never held
the Sauds under the same sort of scrutiny for being an Axis of Evil nor
for being an Enemy of Freedom - yet, they ARE.
The big deal is the American military lives lost in Iraq under false pretenses
of stopping Hussein from the buildup of his imminently threatening WMD.
The big deal is the 25% UNACCOUNTED FOR of $100 billion spent on Iraq yet 
our own country continues to be whittled down to ill retards due to the cuts
in education, healthcare, VA benefits, and pollution.
The big deal is we did NOT kick anyone's ass into submission.  Maybe you 
haven't noticed, but election results turned out in favor of CLERICS.
The big deal is that a decent life should start at home first and its 
becoming just the opposite.

How can you say Big Deal?  

I shall respond Big Deal when the war veterans run these GOP thieves out of 
their offices and corporations and high paid executives are footing their
share of the bills in this country rather than exporting the entire
manufacturing economy out from under us and polluting our planet.

richard
response 66 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 19:50 UTC 2006

bru do you know how many people would have died in a full scale "all out"
invasion of Iran?!  Carter even said that the Pentagon brass wanted him to
nuke Tehran, and waste it like Hiroshima.  But that would have killed all the
hostages, and for what?  Revenge?  

Carter brought the hostages home alive.  All of them.  Fewer american military
personnel lost their lives during the four years of the Carter presidency than
under any other President searving a four year term in american history. 
Compare that to Bush, when we have soldiers coming home in flag draped coffins
by the dozens.  

The war in Iraq is NOT a success, we are losing.  The democracy over there
is meaningless because the constitution subordinates it to islamic law, and
anyway it will crumble the minute we leave.  
mcnally
response 67 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 19:51 UTC 2006

 re #63:  
 Holy shit!  I can't believe that's meant seriously, even coming from bru.

 > so we invaded another country or two, kicked their asses into
 > submission, and turned them into democratic states so the people
 > could have a chance at a descent life.  Big deal.  Fact is, despite
 > you whineing, it seems to have worked.

 And what a roaring success it's been, what with the rose petals and
 the statue toppling and the joyous greeting of the liberators.
 What the hell war have *you* been watching, Bruce?

 You do, totally by accident, turn an apt phrase, when you write about
 giving the people of Iraq and Afghanistan a chance at "a descent life."
 Because that's what many of them will be getting -- a descent into
 even more nightmarish conditions than the awfulness they started with.

 > and [Carter] lost the election to Ronald Reagan.  A man who [Iran]
 > knew would not sit and play paddycake with them for 444 days,
 > and so they turned their hostages over to him immediately.

 Actually, it's precisely because of Reagan's willingness to placate
 Iran (by illegally selling them weapons!) that the hostages were
 released when they were.  You don't even remember Iran-Contra, do you?

 > Oh, and lest we forget, who was it that set the FBI to investigate
 > and wiretap and surrvaolance Mr. and Mrs. King?  Was it John F.
 > Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy and that hero of the great
 > society Lyndon Baines Johnson?  Yes.

 Got any evidence that those presidents ordered the wiretapping,
 as opposed to J. Edgar Hoover, who was (in those days) basically
 running the FBI however he saw fit?
richard
response 68 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 20:00 UTC 2006

And Carter would have been reelected easily IF the hostage rescue mission had
succeeded, and if there hadn't been a gas shortage that year.
tod
response 69 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 20:03 UTC 2006

Iran-Contra put the USA into the mess its in right now.  Bush was involved
from the start.
marcvh
response 70 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 20:11 UTC 2006

I also would think that pro-Israeli partisans would at least give Carter
some credit for the Camp David Accords.
klg
response 71 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 20:24 UTC 2006

ARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES


The hostages in Iran were released after Reagan became president.


....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICHARD LIES....RICH


The Camp David Accords were a success???  Must have been.  Look at how 
well things are going over there now.

You mean that if Carter had been a good president, he might have been 
re-elected, but since he was a terrible president he wasn't??  Can't 
disagree there.
keesan
response 72 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 20:25 UTC 2006

Doesn't anyone care about the killing of Iraqis and Iranis?
klg
response 73 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 20:28 UTC 2006

Well, Saddam Hussein certainly did.  He cared about killing as many as 
possible.
richard
response 74 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 20:59 UTC 2006

re #71 I didn't say a thing about the hostages getting released AFTER Reaagn
became President.  klg is hallucinating.  Although Reagan DID announce their
release after he took the oath of office.
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