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cross
response 50 of 112: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:13 UTC 2006

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tod
response 51 of 112: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:22 UTC 2006

Yea, but try to convince her it's okay to have a breeze in the house in the
dead of Summer..
jadecat
response 52 of 112: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:23 UTC 2006

Ah, but how many layers are under that skirt and are leggings involved?
tod
response 53 of 112: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 21:25 UTC 2006

If she's from Moscow, then we're talking miniskirt and thong.
keesan
response 54 of 112: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 23:25 UTC 2006

It is out of character for me to wear summer clothing in the winter, and also
to wear pants in the summer on hot days.
rcurl
response 55 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 19:47 UTC 2006

ACLU Online:  February 17, 2006
The e-newsletter of the American Civil Liberties Union

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In this Issue:
-- Americans Demand Answers on NSA Spying 
-- Patriot Debate Nears Finish, But Battle Continues 
-- New Abu Ghraib Photos Confirm Need for Independent Counsel
-- What Will Your Legacy Be? 
-- In the States:
   * Homeowner Associations Must Respect Free Speech 
   * Veterans Affairs Nurse Accused of Sedition Over Political Views

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AMERICANS DEMAND ANSWERS ON NSA SPYING

The Bush Administration keeps hoping the questions will stop about illegal 
spying on Americans, but lawmakers, the media and the American people grow 
more and more determined to get to the truth behind the scandal.

The administration's abuses of power through illegal spying violate the 
Fourth Amendment, and the First Amendment and put our constitutional 
freedoms at risk.

Congress has a Constitutional obligation to serve as a check against 
presidential abuses of power and must demand that President Bush uphold 
the Constitution. Leaders on both sides of the aisle in Congress have 
called for real answers about the warrantless NSA spying program but we 
cannot expect real action unless we continue to make our voices heard.

The ACLU is taking action and you can get involved and add your voice. 
This Monday in Washington, D.C., we're holding a national town hall 
meeting to discuss illegal domestic spying, presidential power and the 
future of our democracy.

Panelists will include former White House counsel John W. Dean, Harvard 
law professor Laurence Tribe, ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero, 
among others. You can follow the event live online and submit your own 
questions and comments for the panel. Learn more about this live national 
event at: http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=nH3RJNXzp6IXGw0UfmBvZA..

Illegal NSA surveillance on Americans is only part of a pattern of abuses 
that includes Pentagon spying on peaceful protestors and government 
surveillance of groups like Greenpeace and PETA as "terrorist 
organizations."

This week on ACLU.org, you can read personal statements from some of the 
regular American citizens swept up in the government's indiscriminate net 
of invasive and illegal surveillance activities. People like veteran and 
mother Debbie Clark, who served in the Army for eight years and is now a 
target of illegal Department of Defense surveillance simply for being a 
member of the peaceful protest group Veterans for Peace. In Ms. Clark's 
courageous words, when government officials are suspected of high crimes 
and abuses, "vigilant Americans should act."

Please raise your own voice today. Join in our Demand for the Truth. Add 
your name to thousands of others seeking real answers and a restoration of 
our fundamental protections under the Constitution. And submit a comment 
or a question to be read at our live national town hall event next Monday, 
February 20, at 11 a.m. ET.  Sign the petition here: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=s8OoCrFhDSo_sO_YXQ6gmA..

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SPEAK OUT LOCALLY

Join a "Constitution Vigil" in your area. Next Wednesday, February 22nd, 
MoveOn.org is organizing community vigils and Bill of Rights readings 
across the country. Join a local vigil, or take the lead and start one 
yourself. Stand up that night with hundreds of American communities and 
send Congress and your local media a simple message: The time to defend 
the Constitution is now:


ADD YOUR VOICE: DEMAND FOR THE TRUTH Sign our Demand for the Truth. Call 
on Congress to end the illegal spying and fully investigate the Bush 
Administration's illegal spying programs. Add your own comment when you 
sign your name, and tell Congress how you feel and why the illegal spying 
on Americans and abuse of power must end today.

Selected statements from supporters like you will be posted online and 
read live at our national town hall on February 20th.

Sign the petition here: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=KNsPKBiy2pULYU-gqbgKTg..

PARTICIPATE Join us live online next Monday, February 20 at 11:00 AM 
ET/8:00 AM PT for our national town hall event: Fundamental Freedoms at 
Risk: Spying, Secrecy and Presidential Power.

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Patriot Debate Nears Finish, But Battle Continues

The Patriot Act reauthorization debate appears to be drawing to a close 
after some key reformers cut a deal with the White House to reauthorize 
the Patriot Act without making the most needed changes to protect our 
privacy and freedom.

We expect a vote on this flawed Patriot Act reauthorization the week of 
February 27th. While the reformers were acting with good intentions, the 
White House has repeatedly failed to negotiate in good faith over the past 
several months and refused to allow modest, common sense changes that 
would better protect our civil liberties.

The Patriot Act should require that the federal government show that any 
financial or internet transactions or medical or library records they 
demand are about a suspected foreign terrorist or someone conspiring with 
a terrorist or terrorist organization.

The reauthorization bill fails to provide a meaningful right to challenge 
the secret court orders under Section 215 of the Patriot Act for medical, 
library or employment records that intrude on your privileged, private 
information.

The bill also fails to rein in the National Security Letter power expanded 
by the Patriot Act's Section 505 which is being used to gather financial 
or internet transactions about tens of thousands of Americans without any 
individual proof of wrongdoing.

We have made significant progress over the past several months, as we were 
able to stop the president from getting the Patriot Act reauthorized under 
the radar. Instead, the entire reauthorization process has highlighted for 
the nation that the Patriot Act has serious flaws and we know a majority 
of Americans support Patriot Act reform. In fact, California has just 
joined seven other states and over 400 municipalities that have passed 
resolutions supporting reforms to restore real checks and balances to 
protect our civil liberties.

Even if Congress has yet to get the message, the Patriot Act debate is far 
from over, and the ACLU will continue to demand the restoration of the 
rule of law to protect our most fundamental freedoms.

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NEW ABU GHRAIB PHOTOS CONFIRM NEED FOR INDEPENDENT COUNSEL

In response to newly released images of abuse at Abu Ghraib, the ACLU 
renewed its call this week for an independent investigation into 
widespread and systemic abuse in U.S. detention centers in Iraq, 
Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay.

"We continue to see undeniable evidence that abuse and torture has been 
widespread and systematic, yet high level government officials have not 
been held accountable for creating the policies that led to these 
atrocities," said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU. "We 
need to look up the chain of military command, because when the rule of 
law is not followed all of our personal freedoms are threatened. President 
Bush should appoint an independent counsel to uncover the full truth about 
the extent of the abuse and who is ultimately responsible."

The ACLU has sued the Department of Defense for withholding photographs 
and videos depicting abuse at Abu Ghraib and other detention facilities. 
In September, a federal judge in New York ruled that the government must 
turn over the Abu Ghraib images, as well as other visual evidence of 
abuse, noting "the freedoms that we champion are as important to our 
success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our 
troops are armed." The decision is currently on appeal by the government. 
The ACLU does not know whether the new photos aired by the Australian 
"Dateline" program are the same photos being withheld by the government.

"The public has a right to know the full truth about the treatment of 
detainees not just in Abu Ghraib but elsewhere in Iraq, Afghanistan and 
Guantánamo Bay," said ACLU attorney Amrit Singh. "Instead of continuing to 
deny the widespread abuse, the government must hold relevant officials 
accountable for this abuse."

The ACLU has been in the courts since 2003 seeking the release of evidence 
of abuse. To date, almost 90,000 pages of government documents have been 
released in response to the ACLU's Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) 
lawsuit. The documents have revealed that harsh interrogation techniques 
were used indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay, and 
ultimately led to cases of abuse and torture.

For more on the ACLU's FOIA lawsuit, go to: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=1uZaJw2iZTohVaj1lR1h1Q..

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HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS MUST RESPECT FREE SPEECH

In an appeals court decision last week, new rights are provided for more 
than one million residents of private communities governed by homeowners 
associations in the state.

"For the first time anywhere in the United States, an appellate court has 
ruled that such private communities are 'constitutional actors' and must 
therefore respect their members' freedom of speech," said Rutgers Law 
Professor Frank Askin, lead counsel in the case. "The court recognized 
that just as shopping malls are the new public square, these associations 
have become and act, for all practical purposes, like municipal entities 
unto themselves."

The case involved the 10,000-resident community of Twin Rivers in East 
Windsor, where the rights to post political signs on members' lawns, to 
equal access to the community newspaper run by the Board of Trustees, and 
to equitable access to the community room for meetings for dissidents. The 
complaint raised claims under the free speech protections of the New 
Jersey Constitution.

The opinion by the appellate panel relied heavily upon earlier decisions 
of the New Jersey Supreme Court which held that privately owned and 
operated shopping malls were public forums under the State Constitution, 
and had to allow non-profit advocacy groups to gather petitions and 
distribute educational material on mall property.

Building on those cases, the court held that private residential 
communities could no more deny free speech to its residents to discuss 
public issues than municipal governments.

The case is a national landmark and was awaited by homeowners groups 
across the country in hopes of emulating a similar decision.

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VETERANS AFFAIRS NURSE ACCUSED OF SEDITION OVER POLITICAL VIEWS

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs investigated a federal employee 
who published an editorial critical of the Bush administration in a local 
newspaper. The ACLU is demanding an explanation.

In her letter to the weekly Alibi, Laura Berg, a clinical nurse 
specialist, criticized the Bush administration's handling of Hurricane 
Katrina and the Iraq War, noting that, "as a VA nurse working with 
returning...vets, I know the public has no sense of the additional 
devastating human and financial costs of post-traumatic stress disorder." 
She urged readers to "act forcefully to remove a government administration 
playing games of smoke and mirrors and vicious deceit."

In September 2005, VA Information Security employees seized Berg's office 
computer because they claimed "government equipment was used 
inappropriately...during government time for drafting an editorial 
letter." No evidence was recovered to support that belief.

"The VA had no reason to suspect Laura Berg used government resources to 
produce her editorial," said ACLU of New Mexico Executive Director Peter 
Simonson. "She signed the letter as a private individual. From all 
appearances, the seizure of her work computer was an act of retaliation 
and a hardball attempt to scare Laura into silence."

In a November 9th memorandum to Berg, Mel Hooker, Chief of Human Resource 
Management Service at the VA, conceded that no evidence was found 
implicating the use of Berg's work computer in the writing of the 
editorial. However, he justified the investigation by saying "the Agency 
is bound by law to investigate and pursue any act which potentially 
represents sedition."

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American Civil Liberties Union
125 Broad Street, 18th Floor
New York, New York 10004-2400
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=7JEhYEV7HP7v7TxASH3ngA..
Gerri Engel and Jed Miller, Editors

other
response 56 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 18:28 UTC 2006

The phrase "act forcefully to remove [the current government or
administration]" in the context of an editorial exhortation does
_potentially_ fall within the definition of sedition, so this seems like
an unfortunate combination of incautious phrasing on the part of Berg
and _potentially_ (but not necessarily) politically motivated zealotry
on the part of Hooker in pursuing it.

I don't think this case has much value other than pointing up the
obvious: be careful how you phrase arguments opposing whichever idiots
are in charge at the moment.
rcurl
response 57 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 19:09 UTC 2006

The current administration is likely to consider "act forcefully" as
seditious, even though just mounting a campaign to vote the administration
out of office is "acting forcibly". 
other
response 58 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 19:22 UTC 2006

It is an ambiguous choice of phrasing, and this is a time in which
ambiguity can be dangerous as well as counter-productive.
bru
response 59 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 19:27 UTC 2006

I would say there is a difference between forcefully and forcibly, the later
suggesting something other than hard work.

I would like to see her whole letter adn the phase in context
nharmon
response 60 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 19:57 UTC 2006

If anybody comes across the whole letter, please post it, as I would
like to read it also.
johnnie
response 61 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 15:09 UTC 2006

Dear Alibi,

I am furious with the tragically misplaced priorities and criminal
negligence of this government. The Katrina tragedy in the U.S. shows
that the emperor has no clothes! Bush and his team partied and delayed
while millions of people were displaced, hundreds of thousands were
abandoned to a living hell. Thousands more died of drowning,
dehydration, hunger and exposure; most bodies remain unburied and
rotting in attics and floodwater. Is this America the beautiful?

The risk of hurricane disaster was clearly predicted, yet funds for
repair work for the Gulf States barrier islands and levee system were
unconscionably diverted to the Iraq War. Money and manpower and ethics
have been diverted to fight a war based on absolute lies!

As a VA nurse working with returning OIF vets, I know the public has no
sense of the additional devastating human and financial costs of
post-traumatic stress disorder; now we will have hundreds of thousands
of our civilian citizens with PTSD as well as far too many young
soldiers, maimed physically or psychologically or both spreading their
pain, anger and isolation through family and communities for
generations. And most of this natural disaster and war tragedy has been
preventable ... how very, very sad!

In the meantime, our war-fueled federal deficit mushrooms and whither
this debt now, as we care for the displaced and destroyed?

Bush, Cheney, Chertoff, Brown and Rice should be tried for criminal
negligence. This country needs to get out of Iraq now and return to our
original vision and priorities of caring for land and people and
resources rather than killing for oil.

Katrina itself was the size of New Mexico. Denials of global warming are
ludicrous and patently irrational at this point. We can anticipate more
wild, destructive weather to occur as a response stress of the planet.
We need to wake up and get real here, and act forcefully to remove a
government administration playing games of smoke and mirrors and vicious
deceit. Otherwise, many more of us will be facing living hell in these
times.

Laura Berg
Albuquerque

bru
response 62 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 21:39 UTC 2006

and laura berg is full of shit.

Number one, it was NOT Bush's fault.  NOLA is the fault of the MAyor, the city
council, the various levee boards, and the governor.  If you want to place
further blame you have to start with every congress and every administration
since the 1960's as well as every levee board, because they all failed to act
to build a levee system to withstand a level 5 hurricane.

Are you going to blame bush for notmaking the Twin Towers resistant to 737's?
Is Chertoff responsible because someone in the 1600's decided to build a city
below sea level?  I WAS NOT HIS FUCKING JOB!!!

His job was to respond to and co-ordinate with local officials, not run the
god damn operation.

I am TIRED of you IDIOTS trying to make the FEderal Government the be all and
end all if your personal wellbeing and that of everyone else.

You need to be responsible for your own damned safety.  If you live below sea
level, You need to prepare to get flooded.
lowclass
response 63 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 22:43 UTC 2006

 Bru, they can't BUILD a levee system to withstand a force 5 hurricane, if
the government won't FUND a levee system to withstand a force five Hurricane.
happyboy
response 64 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 22:54 UTC 2006

bru...IT WAS BUSH'S FUCKING JOB TO TAKE
THE AUGUST 6 PDB SERIOUSLY.

I'M TIRED OF IDIOT BOOTLICKERS.
naftee
response 65 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 23:11 UTC 2006

whoa ; guys.  cool heads prevail
nharmon
response 66 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 00:35 UTC 2006

Thank you Johnnie for posting that. It looks like she choose her words
poorly, and I believe that is what the investigation will eventually
conclude.
cyklone
response 67 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 01:55 UTC 2006

Bap, you missed the point, the facts and the truth in #62. Even if 
everthing you say is true, the bottom line is that the organizations 
responsible for identifying and responding to major public health 
catastrophes were utterly unprepared and ineffectual. This for a PREDICTED 
EVENT. Given how badly they botched Katrina, I shudder to imagine the 
number of lives that will be lost due to the administration's incompetence 
in the event of a successful attack.
bru
response 68 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 12:56 UTC 2006

My point is they are always going to be unprepared and ineffectual.  There
is no way any government agency can handle a catastrophy like Katrina.  And
If you think Katrina was bad, wait till SAn Fransisco starts rocking with a
major earthquake, or the EAst Coast takes a Tidal Wave.

All any government agency can do is respond.  They can't know how to respond
until they see what has happened.  Other than storing supplies and
transportation to move same in a few select locations, government can only
do so much.

Ot os the people who have to respond and help each otehr, who have to buckle
down and rebuild.

Thats why every single one of you should have a minimum of Three days, THREE
DAYS of food and water stored in a way that you can easily transport it.  One
gallon per person per day of water.  In your house, right this very second.

IF you do not, you are irresponsible.  You do not deserve any government help.
You need to be weeded out of the gene pool.

Preferably, you should have a years supply of food in storage in your house.
yes it might get destroyed in a fire or major catastrophy, but if everyone
had it in an emergency, we would have enought to share with those who lost
it all.

YOU CANNOT REALLY ON GOVERNMENT TO SAVE YOU!!!  HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE!!!  IF
you need help coming up with a plan, I am more than willing to come out for
a consultation to tell you what you need to do here in the ANN ARBOR area.
jadecat
response 69 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 13:48 UTC 2006

Bru- what if you don't live in a house? What if you live in an apartment
and simply do not have room for these things?
keesan
response 70 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 17:04 UTC 2006

Why do we need to store water when we live near a river and there is lots of
dead wood around to boil the water with?
happyboy
response 71 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 18:03 UTC 2006

"weeded out of the gene pool"

nice christian attitude there, dingleberry.
rcurl
response 72 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 18:26 UTC 2006

Re #68: I disagree that the government is as powerless as you suggest. You 
even contradict yourself by noting correctly that the government can have 
been "storing supplies and transportation to move same in a few select 
locations".

Katrina, and a California earthquake (and a Missouri earthquake too, for 
that matter), are among events that are known to be probable. Therefore it 
is possible to have supplies, transporation arrangements, allocation of 
personnel (who drops what to go where to get things moving), 
communications centers, civil communications, and ungoing training, all in 
place and kept current. Yes, this is all expensive, but less expensive 
than the increased deaths and destruction that ensue from an event for 
which preparations are not in place.

Billions are being put into anti-terrorist measures, for events that are 
even more problematic than natural diasters. The same thinking should be 
put in place for natural disasters that are expected.
tod
response 73 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 18:48 UTC 2006

re #68
Wouldn't it just be easier to have enough rounds to take 3 days of rations
from the well prepared neighbor?  That's how they did it in NOLA.
nharmon
response 74 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 19:31 UTC 2006

We have plenty of Wally Marts 'round here to l00t.
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