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fitz
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response 50 of 82:
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Oct 8 12:16 UTC 2003 |
(my first wife and I lived next door to a pair of tigers in downtown Lansing,
MI. Sorry; no stories of maulings. "Saw a tiger today," was part of our
conversation and about as ordinary as talking about the weather.)
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tsty
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response 51 of 82:
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Oct 8 15:00 UTC 2003 |
re #35 . born and raised on a farm ... been there, seen that. dad would
separate teh albinos fromt eh general population for their protection.
i have seen, rarely because they were usually removed to safety early, the
resident non-albino population attack teh 'different ones.'
'different ones' alwyas need protection from teh general population, adn
taht applies to humans as well.
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mynxcat
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response 52 of 82:
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Oct 8 17:38 UTC 2003 |
Richard, wasn't the man in question mauled?
I can understand why the authorities would take the animals away. They
are an endangerment to the rest of the people, even if they never
harmed their "borther"
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richard
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response 53 of 82:
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Oct 8 18:13 UTC 2003 |
re #52...the man in question was bit on the leg by the tiger while playing
with it. when he went to the hospital to have the bite mark tended to, that
is when authorities realized it wasn't any dog bite. then the cops went to
his apartment and saw the tiger looking out the window at them
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tod
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response 54 of 82:
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Oct 8 18:26 UTC 2003 |
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tod
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response 55 of 82:
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Oct 8 18:33 UTC 2003 |
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janc
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response 56 of 82:
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Oct 8 18:47 UTC 2003 |
I think if I wanted to donate money to save tigers, I'd spend it largely on
captive breeding programs and the like. Reintroducing tigers into the wild
sounds like a good way to spend a lot of money and accomplish nothing. A
tiger takes a lot of space, and few humans are willing to share space with
them. It seems like a doomed cause.
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rcurl
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response 57 of 82:
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Oct 8 19:18 UTC 2003 |
In the long run, habitat protection would be cheaper - and have a better
result. A captive breeding program is forever. Land needs to be purchased
just once. The main problem with captive breeding programs is that they
are initially cheaper, and hence more likely to be done, but with a worse
long-term outcome. Additional problems with captive breeding programs are
genetic drift and the threat of diseases in small populations.
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tod
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response 58 of 82:
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Oct 8 19:35 UTC 2003 |
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scott
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response 59 of 82:
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Oct 8 23:38 UTC 2003 |
I'm finally starting to remember the famous tiger/lion/beast attack that
happened on some old live-TV variety show. Might have been Ed Sullivan.
Anyway, the animal attacked somebody, and because it was live and such they
best the director could do was switch to a camera on the audience. A very
shocked-looking audience, with horror on their faces.
If I couuld remember more detail I'd probably be able to find the info on
Google. I did see a clip of it a few years ago..
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richard
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response 60 of 82:
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Oct 9 02:22 UTC 2003 |
Siegfried was on Larry King tonight, and he said that when the paramedics
were working on roy back stage, and he was bleeding profusely, the first
and only thing Roy said to Siegfried was "don't harm the cat" Siegfried
showed pictures of he and Roy with Montecore, the tiger in question and
made clear the tiger is like a child. He says Roy tripped and fell, and
the tiger freaked out and acted instinctively and dragged him offstage.
It wasn't trying to kill him, as Siegfried said the tiger could have
killed him instantly if that was its intent, it was trying to protect him.
Trainers and animals who work together for years often end up with a
parent-child relationship.
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murph
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response 61 of 82:
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Oct 9 02:25 UTC 2003 |
Rane, how large a wild population would it take for us to let them be and have
them preserve their species? If each tiger requires a territory of 600 square
miles[1], and those territories would have to be contiguous for the population
to meet and breed with each other, you're talking about an enormous amount
of land. Even for Siberia. Even if you aren't worried about poachers. And
habitat protection for an animal that doesn't have many wild members would
still require a captive breeding program to come up with the animals that
you want to live in the preserved habitat.
I'm not saying that habitat preservation is a bad idea--especially as captive
breeding merely for the sake of species continuation is, as you say, an
infinitely long project. I'm just pointing out that habitat preservation for
a wild tiger population is an *incredibly* costly endeavor.
[1] http://www.lpzoo.com/tour/factsheets/mammals/siberian_tiger.html
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murph
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response 62 of 82:
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Oct 9 02:27 UTC 2003 |
#60 is an interesting explanation that I haven't heard yet. It would seem
to make sense, too: an attack would have killed Roy on the spot, but if the
tiger thought it was carrying a wounded family member to safety and didn't
realize that teh scruff of Roy's neck was a little more tender than the
average tiger cub's...
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rcurl
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response 63 of 82:
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Oct 9 06:51 UTC 2003 |
Re #61: what I couldn't find quickly is the area that would be necessary
for maintaining a healthy tiger population. The articles mostly only mention
an individual tiger's territory (which differ widely). But let's say it
is something like 2500 square miles (of suitable habitat). That is not
really enormous - Yellowstone NP is ca. 3500 square miles. Take a look
at the globe - that is a little spot. The area per-se isn't the problem,
but rather prior political claims to it against the world's desires to
protect biodiversity.
My point was that while that is expensive, it is much MORE expensive - and
probably bound to fail - to maintain a captive breeding population for
thousands of years.
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tod
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Oct 9 16:21 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 65 of 82:
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Oct 9 16:30 UTC 2003 |
You think they will both last thousands of years?
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tod
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response 66 of 82:
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Oct 9 16:45 UTC 2003 |
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happyboy
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response 67 of 82:
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Oct 9 16:58 UTC 2003 |
i hope so for the sake of my grandchildren.
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tod
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response 68 of 82:
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Oct 9 17:04 UTC 2003 |
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happyboy
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response 69 of 82:
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Oct 9 17:14 UTC 2003 |
/starts boiling carrots and rinsing out the mason jars
i left out behind the still
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tsty
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response 70 of 82:
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Oct 11 04:27 UTC 2003 |
#60 is the most rational adn humanistic description (coupled with
teh LK show) i ahve held to reason.
that the cat could extinguish a human life is not evena question. that
a cat would *protect* (imstinct) a FELLOW CAT is teh only answer.
that the fellow cat was a thin-skinned human is tragic - dont harm the cat.
i have personally witnessed fellow-traveler-species activities many
times adn instinct is overriding.
granted, these were of lesser-developed species, but nontheless, the
instincts *will* rule, including the energy of the 'bite'.
i hope roy recovers adn has his tiger to commune with.
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happyboy
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response 71 of 82:
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Oct 11 08:41 UTC 2003 |
*hic*
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pvn
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response 72 of 82:
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Oct 11 09:58 UTC 2003 |
Channeling Monte I am allowed to reveal that he was simply reacting to
the threat of the gal in the audience with "big hair" who was seen by
him to be in attack mode but in an ambiguous situation. Monte was in
watch mode when Roy apparently tripped over him. Monte was in an
unknown situation and responded in flight mode and grabbed the most
valued item - roy- by the scruff of the neck and tried to escape.
Monte attempted to remove roy from a situation that risked roy.
Unfortunately roy didn't have a "scruff of the neck" which is not
Monte's fault for not knowing.
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russ
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response 73 of 82:
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Oct 12 01:06 UTC 2003 |
Funny, Beady's channelling sounds amazingly like the
newspaper articles I've been reading. I wonder how
he gets it so spot-on?
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aruba
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response 74 of 82:
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Oct 17 19:15 UTC 2003 |
I suppose this is in poor taste, but it's pretty funny:
Subject: Shocking video of Roy Horn tiger attack.
http://www.wnci.com/zoo/royattack.gif
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