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gelinas
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response 50 of 116:
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Sep 16 03:09 UTC 2003 |
It's the fewer-than-40-wins mark I've been pulling for.
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albaugh
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response 51 of 116:
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Sep 16 04:20 UTC 2003 |
The Tigers got stomped 10-4 by KC Mon night (Sep 15). That makes 'em 38-111,
just a hair over .250, with a lucky 13 games to go. They are making it
increasingly tough on themselves to avoid 120 losses.
When this season began, I think we all felt it would be another stinker. But
I know I had no conception of the Tigers being record-setting bad. I mean,
they have almost no chance at all to win 50 games. Having wins in only the
40's is humiliatingly putrid in the extreme.
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albaugh
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response 52 of 116:
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Sep 17 03:31 UTC 2003 |
Looks like the Tigers pitching managed to get shelled again tonight (Tue Sept
16), losing 9-6 to the visiting Blue Jays. That makes 'em 38-112 with now
only 12 games to go.
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gelinas
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response 53 of 116:
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Sep 17 04:46 UTC 2003 |
So it's not _quite_ time to give up hope of a sub-40-win season. :/
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aruba
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response 54 of 116:
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Sep 17 05:24 UTC 2003 |
The Tigers were doing all right till the late innings tonight. But the
score really shouldn't have been that close - Toronto played attrociously.
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albaugh
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response 55 of 116:
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Sep 18 04:01 UTC 2003 |
The Tigers got shut out again (!), tonight (Wed Sept 17) 6-0 at the talons
of the Toronto BLue Jays. That makes 'em 38-113 with 11 games to go.
It looks certain now that they'll share at least some portion of the "worst
record" with the '62 Mets.
According to something in Sunday's Free Press / News Sports section, NY
Yankees manager Joe Torre told Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski that even though the
'62 Mets were an expansion team, their roster was full of established major
league players (obviously not the best ones). Whereas the current Tiger
roster is largely "youngsters". So the Tigers should not get overly
discouraged, and put themself down as low as the lowly Mets.
Sounds like a good rationalization to me... ;-)
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albaugh
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response 56 of 116:
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Sep 19 03:45 UTC 2003 |
The Blue Jays provided another pounding tonight (Thu Sept 18) 10-6 over the
stripeless Tigers. That makes 'em 38-114 with 10 games to go. To reach
"safety" they would have to play .500 ball, which is twice their winning rate
this season.
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gelinas
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response 57 of 116:
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Sep 19 04:45 UTC 2003 |
(They are at .250 right now.)
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aruba
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response 58 of 116:
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Sep 19 15:06 UTC 2003 |
And 7 of the last 10 games are against Minnesota, which is leading the
division and has won 6 in a row. :(
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tpryan
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response 59 of 116:
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Sep 19 21:12 UTC 2003 |
How soon before Minnesota clinches the division and all
home field advantages? That is, when can they cool their jets?
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krj
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response 60 of 116:
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Sep 19 21:43 UTC 2003 |
Minnesota only has a 3.5 game lead; they will be highly motivated
to crush the Tigers.
In newspaper stories today, Alan Trammell says the team has "run out
of gas."
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aruba
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response 61 of 116:
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Sep 20 04:22 UTC 2003 |
The Tigers lost again tonight. They had a chance to tie it up in the
eigth, but Dmitri Young popped out with the bases loaded to end the inning.
They've now lost 7 in a row, and 13 of the last 14. And their winning
percentage has dipped below .250.
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tpryan
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response 62 of 116:
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Sep 20 22:06 UTC 2003 |
re 60:
Hey Alan, did they have gas to begin with?
(putting it short, I thing the problem is the players, not the staff).
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aruba
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response 63 of 116:
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Sep 21 03:32 UTC 2003 |
Tigers lost again today, taking them to 38 and 116. Only one win in the
last 15 games.
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krj
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response 64 of 116:
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Sep 21 16:36 UTC 2003 |
Something I've only seen mentioned once in the press:
In 2002, the Tigers fired Phil Garner early in the season and
promoted Luis Pujols to be the caretaker manager for a doomed season.
Pujols had never managed before, but he brought in his veteran manager
friend Felipe Alou as bench coach. It was, of course, a horrid season,
and Pujols and Alou were fired by the Tigers at the end of it.
(55-106, the 2002 record, doesn't sound so bad now, does it?)
Alou was hired as the manager of the San Francisco Giants, and he
brought in Luis Pujols as a Giants coach. The Giants have the National
League West title with a 14 game lead.
I imagine Alou and Pujols are relieved to be out of Detroit.
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albaugh
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response 65 of 116:
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Sep 21 18:58 UTC 2003 |
At 38-116 the Tigers would have to go 5-3 over the last 8 games to reach the
"safety" of 43 wings. It's not going to happen. They and their fans are
doomed to at least share some worst team records. Even if they go a
respectable 3-5 they will set the record for most losses (121).
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krj
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response 66 of 116:
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Sep 21 19:27 UTC 2003 |
Tim Ryan in resp:59 :: One writer pointed out that you are right;
by the final weekend's series with Detroit, the Twins are likely to
have clinched the division title and might be in a mood to rest
their front-line players for the playoffs. I'd forgotten that there
were two series left with Minnesota.
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aruba
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response 67 of 116:
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Sep 21 22:50 UTC 2003 |
Tigers lost again today. That makes 9 in a row, 15 out of 16. 7 games to
go. Minnesota needs two games to clinch, and they play two games at home
against Cleveland on Tuesday and Wednesday. So they may indeed have
clinched by the time they come to Detroit on Thursday.
Meanwhile, Kansas City and Chicago are tied for second in the division, 5.5
games back of the Twins. They're both out of the wildcard race. We go to
KC next, for three games. KC has won 7 of their last 10.
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gelinas
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response 68 of 116:
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Sep 22 03:32 UTC 2003 |
(Why do you think the Tigers could beat the Twins' second, or even third, rank
players?)
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albaugh
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response 69 of 116:
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Sep 22 17:50 UTC 2003 |
The Tigers are indeed 38-117 with 7 games to go. They are the "lock of the
millennium" to tie / break the record for losses.
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aruba
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response 70 of 116:
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Sep 23 03:38 UTC 2003 |
Tigers lost again tonight. They looked pretty good early on - sent 8 men to
the plate in the top of the 5th and tied the game at 4; but then they came
apart in the 6th, making at least 3 pitching changes in the inning.
So they've lost 10 in a row, 16 of the last 17. 6 games to go.
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albaugh
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response 71 of 116:
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Sep 23 04:06 UTC 2003 |
That makes 'em 38-118, an amazing, astounding *80* games under .500
Royals doubled 'em up, 12-6. We're all doubled over in pain... :-(
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aruba
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response 72 of 116:
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Sep 23 13:17 UTC 2003 |
That's 40 games under .500, if I understand baseball speak correctly. The
number of games B is behind A is
((A's wins - B's wins) + (B's losses - A's losses)) / 2
So if you compared the Tigers to a team which had n wins and n losses, you'd
get
((n - 38) + (118 - n)) / 2 = 80/2 = 40.
But I'm just extrapolating from what I've seen in the newspaper, so I
could be wrong.
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jep
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response 73 of 116:
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Sep 23 14:20 UTC 2003 |
I understand they're charging $5 for Upper Deck Box and Reserved seats
this weekend.
The Tigers are 1-93 this year when trailing after six innings.
The Tigers would be 40 games behind a .500 team (78-78) at this point,
however they'd need to win 80 more games in order to get to .500, so
they are 80 games below .500.
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aruba
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response 74 of 116:
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Sep 23 15:20 UTC 2003 |
I'm thinking of going to a game this weekend. Anyone want to make a
Grexpedition of it?
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