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rcurl
response 50 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 18:05 UTC 2003

I was at fault in #43 for giving such a terse and incomplete response
where I wrote, in response to

#42 of 49: by Sindi Keesan (keesan) on Wed, Jul 23, 2003 (20:22):
 Yellowstone was not.  Which parks were donated?

#43 of 49: by Rane Curl (rcurl) on Wed, Jul 23, 2003 (20:45):  
Almost none. National and State parks are created from federal and state
lands.  Sometimes inholdings and adjacent properties are purchased to
complete the parks. Some very small parks have been created on donated
lands.

and I appreciate tod's more complete exposition.

However my statement was essentially correct - for example, Muir Woods
(cited first in the above) is 295 acres. Yosemite National Park, created
from federal land, is 770,000 acres. 

But while donated parkland is a tiny fraction of the total, I fully
support such donations and, in fact, have played a role in this. I was a
founder of a non-profit 501(c)3 land trust in Michigan that now owns and
manages 520 acres, purchased with (small) public donations. But I would
still say that is "almost none" compared to the conversion of federal and
state lands to parklands. They all play important roles, however, in
saving unique lands for public enjoyment. 



tod
response 51 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 18:11 UTC 2003

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rcurl
response 52 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 18:24 UTC 2003

(It sure is hard to show contrition around here without having to suffer
more lumps.....)
tod
response 53 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 18:34 UTC 2003

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gull
response 54 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 24 19:25 UTC 2003

Re #47: If wealth gets concentrated enough, the wealthy can buy
political power.  We're in that situation now -- by making a large
campaign contribution, you can have vastly more of an affect on what the
government does than by voting.  In fact, we have a situation right now
where the President has stated he's going to veto a bill that a majority
of Americans support because it's opposed by some rich business
interests.  (I refer to the bill that would reverse the FCC's rule
change on media ownership.)
klg
response 55 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 01:49 UTC 2003

And we have read that the President wants to sign Medicare legislation 
that is opposed by some rich business but appears to have the support of 
the majority of Americans.  So what is your point?
other
response 56 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 04:25 UTC 2003

re #53:  <lol>
rcurl
response 57 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 06:19 UTC 2003

It is not clear that the president's medicare legislation is supported by
a majority of Americans. There is strong opposition to it from a number of
quarters. In fact, it is even unclear what the Medicare bill will be,
with large differences between House and Senate versions, and polarization
of the parties. See
http://www.aarp.org/bulletin/departments/2003/prescriptiondrugs/0705_prescr
ipt
iondrugs_1.html
klg
response 58 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 16:15 UTC 2003

If this is in refernce to our post #55, please note that I did not 
refer to the legislation as "the president's."  As with the education 
bill, he appears to be willing to consider whatever compromise that 
emerges from Congress.

Insofar as what the majority of Americans want, the Gallup Organization 
reported:

"POLL ANALYSES, 7/7/2003

"Public Endorses Need for Medicare Reform, but Is Skeptical of Recent 
Legislation

"Generally oppose putting senior citizens in managed care plans

"Most Americans believe major changes to Medicare are necessary and the 
public strongly endorses adding a prescription drug benefit to the 
Medicare program. However, the public generally opposes a proposal that 
would enroll senior citizens in private managed care programs . . . ."
rcurl
response 59 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 16:41 UTC 2003

That is a far cry from "legislation that is opposed by some rich business
but appears to have the support of the majority of Americans". 

klg
response 60 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 17:06 UTC 2003

How, may we ask, does one arrive at that conclusion?
rcurl
response 61 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 17:27 UTC 2003

There is no medicare plan that has "the support of the majority of
America".  If you think otherwise, please tell us what it is - better,
tell Congress. 

klg
response 62 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 25 19:46 UTC 2003

And, precisely, how is it that you know this?

Perhaps there is not a majority in favor of any specific "plan"; 
however, is it not entirely possible that a majority may be supporting 
a compromise legislative package?  
rcurl
response 63 of 76: Mark Unseen   Jul 26 01:39 UTC 2003

Everyone always supports a "compromise legislative plan" - until they learn
the details.
tod
response 64 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 5 23:27 UTC 2003

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drew
response 65 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 6 19:25 UTC 2003

From what I've heard of the Batan Death march, the Japs deserved it.
tod
response 66 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 6 20:05 UTC 2003

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russ
response 67 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 7 03:49 UTC 2003

I find it difficult to believe that the Japanese thought for even
a second that any random POW would know how many atomic bombs the
USA had, when their spy network obviously didn't even reveal that
they existed.  I find it much more likely that the bombing of
Nagasaki finally got them to believe us when we told them we could
keep doing that until they surrendered, so they might as well
surrender right away.
tod
response 68 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 7 04:15 UTC 2003

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i
response 69 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 02:30 UTC 2003

Re: #67
I hadn't heard that, that late in the war, the Japanese spy network was
performing well enough to inspire much confidence.  More likely quite
the opposite.

If the U.S. had dozens of A-bombs ready to drop and supply ships with 48 
more arriving every 3 days at our main bomber base, how much of a secret
would we have made of it?  By that time, the Japanese were very used to
overwhelming-and-them-some American supplies of almost any physical thing
which might be useful for war. 
russ
response 70 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 02:54 UTC 2003

For some reason I give the WWII Japs more credit than J. Edgar Ashcroft.
Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if Ashcroft made it up for his own purposes.

Doesn't it strike anyone as *strange* that we have a huge ramp-up in
demands for surveillance of the population everywhere, all the time
to catch terrorists before they can hijack airplanes, yet the
government is cutting the funding for air marshals?

The current administration seems to have gone into complete paranoia;
it is not trying to protecting us, it is trying to protect itself
*from* us, the citizens.  That's just wrong.  Bush has gotta go.
tod
response 71 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 17:31 UTC 2003

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russ
response 72 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 21:23 UTC 2003

Re #69:  Even the Japanese would realize that the USA wouldn't
put people with top-secret knowledge on the front lines where
they could be captured.  That would have been a Stalin trick.
i
response 73 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 9 05:04 UTC 2003

Re: #72
What's so Top Secret about "we have ample quantities of an unstoppable
super-weapon that our enemy has no hope of duplicating and we're getting
ready to use 'em"???  Shout that news from the hilltops - it'll boost
friendly morale and wreck enemy morale - hardly an undesirable effect.
russ
response 74 of 76: Mark Unseen   Aug 9 21:03 UTC 2003

Re #73:  If you read about the actual handling of the bombs, you'll
realize that the reality was substantially different.  The first
bomb wasn't even certain to go off, and its shipment and preparation
were a very well-kept secret.  When you consider how badly things
had been going for the Japanese for the previous year or so (and
how few POWs they were capturing), the idea of a POW having any
information about the Manhattan project isn't realistic.

Which isn't to say that a POW wouldn't make up whatever he thought
would intimidate the enemy.  Read _Wasp_ by Eric Frank Russell.
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