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mynxcat
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response 50 of 107:
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Jul 29 21:27 UTC 2003 |
Resp 48>
"Grex is supposed to allow anyone with any sort of a computer and a
2400 bps modem to get on the net, without also having to pay for an
ISP"
Is that in the charter?
As for the 10 users, do all of them only have dial-in access? Except
for Russ, who had to use a $12-an-hour-telnet-less computer to access
BBS when the modems were down, I don't know of anyone else who could
not access grex through other means. I'm sure there are some, but I'm
sure the number was less than 10.
How many people have you signed up? What's the percentage to the user-
base, and to the paid members? Compare that to the number of users who
would be unhappier with a slow connection, and they're outnumbered by
a very large margin.
Majority rule is not appropriate here, I agree. Staff and the BoD are
considerate enough of the miniscule number of users who depend on
dialling in, (either as the only means, or a more convenient means) to
get on Grex, and they maintain the phone lines. Fine. We really have
no problem with that. What most people here have had a problem with is
the expectation these people have that staff drop everything, and go
take care of the modem problem the minute it occurs. And I think what
most people took offense to were the rude posts about the issue, more
than anything else.
(If it weren't for those posts, I wouldn't have even been discussing
the whole modem issue. It hasn't really made a difference to me, I
don't use dial-in, and don't foresee ever using it.)
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cross
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response 51 of 107:
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Jul 29 22:59 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 52 of 107:
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Jul 29 23:42 UTC 2003 |
We're not even asking you to use broadband. Use a good old dial up ISP,
and telnet in.
(BTW, I'm at the library and they don't have telnet, or dial-in. I
demand that staff spend their valuable time developing ajava interface
to party so I can chat!!!)
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cross
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response 53 of 107:
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Jul 30 00:31 UTC 2003 |
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scott
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response 54 of 107:
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Jul 30 00:49 UTC 2003 |
I should point out that Grex gets its 501(c) tax-free status because of its
educational and charity mission.
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mynxcat
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response 55 of 107:
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Jul 30 02:18 UTC 2003 |
And your point is?
Re 52> Damn, I forgot about www.yale.edu/ssh!!!
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other
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response 56 of 107:
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Jul 30 03:15 UTC 2003 |
The modems ARE a priority for Grex. They are a diminishing priority, but
they are nonetheless a priority. As long as there are people who still
use them, we will probably maintain at least one modem connection.
Unfortunately, current staff is not at the beck and call of the system to
fix the machine when it is down, or the modems or terminal server when
they choke, and when thy DO actually read the conferences or their email
on a regular basis, there is little mechanism to assure that problems are
dealt with promptly, whatever the problems may be.
Fortunately, there has just been a significant increase in root staff (4)
which will hopefully be accompanied by a refreshed energy and initiative
when it comes to fixing Grex.
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jep
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response 57 of 107:
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Jul 30 03:15 UTC 2003 |
I was curious about the numbers, and so I did the following commands:
last -10000 | grep 216.93.104.37 > dialin
cut -f1 -d' ' dialin | sort | uniq > uniq.dialin
It at least appears to me that 216.93.104.37 is the IP address for the
terminal server; russ and keesan's recent logins all seem to have come
from that address.
Since Sunday at about 8:00 a.m., there have been 40 unique loginids
who have used this IP address. I think 40 unique loginids is
sufficient to make it advisable we maintain the modems.
I then wondered how many people have logged on at all, and so I ran
this:
last -10000|cut -f1 -d' ' | sort | uniq | wc
There were 1940 unique loginids used during that time. About 2% of
the logins came from dial-in users.
And btw, "last -10000 | grep 216.93.104.37 | wc" returns 182 lines, so
about 2% of all logins come from the dial-in modems.
Those who have dialed in (according to my determination) since Sunday
morning were:
bguest bookie bye charcat cmcgee colleen csm98 cyklone davel dpc
dpfitzen drew durrett exit gitap golfer gracel hangup i jmm keesan
keesan2 kingjon logout lowclass maryeliz melanief paull phenix q
qborthwi quit raheim rtrees russ tpryan whoed willann wings wlevak
There are certainly many names in that group whom I would dislike
losing.
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carson
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response 58 of 107:
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Jul 30 03:21 UTC 2003 |
(yep, especially "bye", "exit", "hangup", "logout" and "quit." I don't
know what we would do without them.)
(data point: when I'm in Ann Arbor, I usually dial Grex directly at
least once a week, and would more often if I could use it to ssh. my
e-mail is hosted on a machine that doesn't allow telnet sessions.)
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keesan
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response 59 of 107:
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Jul 30 03:26 UTC 2003 |
We signed up charcat, dpfitzen, rtrees, willann and wings.
How many total logins were there from the Ann Arbor area?
Jep, thanks for the list.
Should we charge people extra (or insist they be members) before allowing them
to use the web interface, since this takes up extra bandwidth?
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jep
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response 60 of 107:
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Jul 30 03:35 UTC 2003 |
I missed sorting out the system logins. The login "q" is another
one. So? I think 30 users is still enough to make it worthwhile to
maintain modems.
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polytarp
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response 61 of 107:
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Jul 30 12:08 UTC 2003 |
Additionally, keesan2 probably isn't anyone other than... keesan!
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remmers
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response 62 of 107:
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Jul 30 12:29 UTC 2003 |
I think that Grex is on the right track with regards to the dialins -
continue to support them, but also continue to monitor usage and reduce
the number as demand diminishes (as it will).
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mynxcat
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response 63 of 107:
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Jul 30 14:04 UTC 2003 |
REsp 59> How about charging people for the ability to dial-in?
Charging for the web-interface is just going to lose Grex web
exposure. Sure, if your take is Grex is for Ann Arborites mostly and
we don't want new users surfing on in, charge for the web interface.
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other
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response 64 of 107:
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Jul 30 14:24 UTC 2003 |
59 and 63. Behave!
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cmcgee
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response 65 of 107:
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Jul 30 14:25 UTC 2003 |
When I'm traveling, I use dial-in exclusively. I don't have an ISP, so my
"free" access is limited to libraries. Dial-in allows me to have 24/7 access
for 3.4 cents a minute. (when, exactly, did the cents symbol get replaced
on keyboards?).
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janc
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response 66 of 107:
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Jul 30 14:34 UTC 2003 |
The cents symbol never made it onto computer keyboards. Can't say I regret.
Bad enough that keyboards the world over have $ keys.
I'd be for keeping a dialin even if Cindi was the only one using it.
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mynxcat
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response 67 of 107:
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Jul 30 15:03 UTC 2003 |
RE 64> /throws tantrum and stomps her feet
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sholmes
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response 68 of 107:
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Jul 30 16:02 UTC 2003 |
key board the world over doesn't have $ keys (AFAIK) . I guess some has
'pound' keys too.. realised it while chatting with a brit on irc.
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novomit
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response 69 of 107:
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Jul 30 16:05 UTC 2003 |
Then how do they do something like "echo $SHELL" when at grex?
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mynxcat
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response 70 of 107:
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Jul 30 16:27 UTC 2003 |
The pound symbol could have been due to ascii characters or a chart he
used to pick the symbol from.
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scott
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response 71 of 107:
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Jul 30 16:33 UTC 2003 |
Didn't the old mainframes have a cent sign? Somehow regular ASCII doesn't
have the cent sign, but EBCDIC does.
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novomit
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response 72 of 107:
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Jul 30 16:39 UTC 2003 |
Yeah, I used an MVS machine that used it in some weird-looking code before.
Nontheless, I still prefer ASCII to EBCDIC.
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keesan
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response 73 of 107:
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Jul 30 17:15 UTC 2003 |
Another dialin (infrequent) is gitap. We set her up on an XT at 2400 bps.
What percentage of members dial in? (Can someone compare jep's incomplete
list with the membership list?).
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cross
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response 74 of 107:
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Jul 30 17:47 UTC 2003 |
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