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bdh3
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response 50 of 79:
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Oct 29 03:50 UTC 2000 |
On the other hand, I would trust iggy.
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happyboy
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response 51 of 79:
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Oct 29 14:04 UTC 2000 |
me too. she would lick a fellers credit card tho.
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mcnally
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response 52 of 79:
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Oct 30 07:57 UTC 2000 |
re #49: If someone says something like that and I believe they meant
it seriously and intended to be taken at face value, then yeah, I'll
be pretty wary of them. People who are that manipulative, though,
will almost never come out and say such a thing, which leads us to
a second possibility -- that Iggy was being facetious.
Now I've never actually met Iggy (despite apparently having sat next to
her for several hours at a concert a few weeks ago..) so I can't say for
sure how she meant her statement to be taken. However, I know a good
proposition bet when I see one and I know which way I'd call the odds
in this case..
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happyboy
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response 53 of 79:
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Oct 30 11:50 UTC 2000 |
she would prolly give you a sort of sad *knowing*
look...and then chop off your noggin for a trophy.
hey iggy...i had to resort to starbucks this week!
/emote gets a strange sensation in his neck.
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iggy
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response 54 of 79:
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Oct 30 12:56 UTC 2000 |
i began a personal boycott of starbucks when they banned the
distribution of the free local (usually alternative) newspapers
in their stores. (the owner made some sweetheart deal with
the wallstreet journal).
the rest of the franchises must follow suit.
bah humbug. i'll drink my own coffee and walk an extra half parking
lot to get "the stranger" and "seattle weekly"
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jazz
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response 55 of 79:
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Oct 30 17:27 UTC 2000 |
Whenever I buy their overcooked coffee, I mutter "fuck corporate
coffee" under my breath.
It's disturbing to see them buying out local independents left and
right; Ann Arbor still has a *few*, but Caribou and Starbucks' are usually
packed, and it's considerably fewer than it was a half-dozen years ago.
Anyone else miss the NAC?
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flem
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response 56 of 79:
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Oct 30 19:40 UTC 2000 |
Does anyone *not* miss the NAC?
I find, in addition to all the other reasons not to like Starbucks, that I
just don't like the taste of the drinks they sell. Any of them, so far.
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other
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response 57 of 79:
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Oct 30 21:05 UTC 2000 |
A friend tells me he's opening a place called AFB (Another Fucking Bar) in
the old Canfield's location on Woodward at Canfield... (random segue)
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jazz
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response 58 of 79:
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Oct 30 21:41 UTC 2000 |
They had a orange-mocha drink a while back that was pretty tasty, in
my book.
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mcnally
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response 59 of 79:
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Oct 30 22:47 UTC 2000 |
re #54: I thought Starbucks had already knuckled under on that issue..
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iggy
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response 60 of 79:
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Oct 31 00:06 UTC 2000 |
maybe they did... i was out of town for a while
but, still... gives me an excuse to stop drinking it.
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scg
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response 61 of 79:
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Oct 31 01:11 UTC 2000 |
I miss NAC too, but I don't think it's fair to blame Starbucks for its demise.
For one thing, Starbucks didn't yet exist in Ann Arbor at the time.
Furthermore, NAC appeared to have been done in by its own business model.
It was a wonderful place because people could go in there and hang out for
hours on comfortable furniture without having to buy anything. Eventually,
as it started to fall apart, there wasn't anything to buy even if people
wanted to. How they expected to make money, even with the large crowds they
tended to draw, is somewhat of a mystery.
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swa
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response 62 of 79:
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Oct 31 05:31 UTC 2000 |
Ooh... I miss NAC, too...
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senna
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response 63 of 79:
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Oct 31 06:33 UTC 2000 |
They were hoping that the good nature of the people would keep it afloat, I
guess. What they needed were a few items that people would really demand that
they couldn't find anywhere else. All their stuff was... well, either bland,
or sold in better shape down the street.
For years, I was convinced that Starbucks would never make it in Ann Arbor,
because all the coffee places had the place blanketed. What went wrong?
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scg
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response 64 of 79:
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Oct 31 07:33 UTC 2000 |
I don't think good nature of the people would have been enough for NAC either.
I never had much spare cash during the time when they were open (and I suspect
neither did most of their clientele), but towards the end they didn't seem
to be taking donations, and there was nothing to buy, so giving them money
would have been pretty difficult.
I think something else may have been going on as well. The owners of NAC
owned a couple of other Ann Arbor businesses as well, which all closed at the
same time. Or maybe NAC was just such a spectacular financial failure that
it dragged the other stores down too.
It's sad. I haven't seen another cafe like it, before or since. I wonder
if, as long as there was stuff to buy, it could be made to work.
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mdw
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response 65 of 79:
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Oct 31 07:48 UTC 2000 |
I think it might be more successful in a town where store-front costs
aren't quite as high. E. Lansing seems possible, for instance.
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jazz
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response 66 of 79:
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Oct 31 15:00 UTC 2000 |
It was on some particularly choice real-estate, that's for sure. It
certainly looked to be a business designed by someone who wanted to
*patronize* the business rather than *run* it, sort of developing the ideal
coffeeshop, which isn't the best business strategy in the world.
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brighn
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response 67 of 79:
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Oct 31 15:06 UTC 2000 |
It encouraged hanging out and not purchasing. That's not the best business
strategy, either.
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scott
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response 68 of 79:
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Oct 31 15:58 UTC 2000 |
I dunno if I'd call NAC's location "particularly choice". Hasn't been much
else successful in there since, and now it's offices or something.
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mooncat
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response 69 of 79:
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Oct 31 20:29 UTC 2000 |
Part of the NAC closing was the landlord jacking up the rent when he
saw how many people were there.
Also, from what I heard... They were closed due to health violations.
I love the high horses people get onto around here. it's lovely to
watch. I know I have my own favorite mounts...
What it sounds like, from reading, is that if you care about other
people's opinions about yourself, if you need/want (two different
things, I know) to be around other people- than you're weak.
I don't think that necessarily follows, I really don't. If you're a
complete asshole and don't care about what people think about you,
you're still an asshole- you're not a nice person, and you're not
a 'good' one.
At the same time you shouldn't totally listen to other peoples'
opinions about who you are- but completely shrugging them off, not
listening, and so on, doesn't make you a better stronger person- it
means you're inflexible and too caught up in the 'I'm right' problem.
I don't think anyone can honestly state that their behavior is
unmodified by the people they're around. Or that they don't try to
perhaps 'highlight' a certain aspect of their personality when around
certain people. Anyone who really states that they have absolutely no
concern about other people's opions... well, I think they're just
fooling themselves. Probably trying to mask pain of some sort.
(Victims... aren't we all)
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iggy
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response 70 of 79:
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Oct 31 22:31 UTC 2000 |
it isnt wise to see yourself only reflected in the eyes of others.
if you care too much about what other people think, you'll be
a chameleon to try to please everyone in exchange for their
approval. you wont know who *you* really are.
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mooncat
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response 71 of 79:
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Oct 31 23:02 UTC 2000 |
Which is pretty much exactly what I was saying. <grins> I think there's
a 'danger,' if you will, in falling too far to either spectrum. You
won't be ABLE to know anyone else if you don't ever look outside
yourself. Look too much outside yourself and you won't know you.
It's all about balance.
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janc
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response 72 of 79:
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Nov 1 03:26 UTC 2000 |
Re #70: Not necessarily. A person who cared to much about what other people
thought of them might not want to be seen changing their mind, because that
would be an admission that they are wrong. So they might not only not become
a chameleon, but rather become excessively rigid and unwilling to modify their
behavior. Or they might worry that people would think them ordinary and
engage in all the wild rule-breaking they can think of. Or...
Basically, just about any kind of human behavior observable in the field can
be explained as an attempt to impress others. Depends on which other and
which impression you are trying to make.
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happyboy
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response 73 of 79:
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Nov 1 12:36 UTC 2000 |
hey janc! look at the size of this turd i just
left in the torlet!
IT WEIGHS MORE 'N YER HEAD!!!!
IMPRESSED!?
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iggy
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response 74 of 79:
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Nov 1 13:59 UTC 2000 |
wow! what a work of art!
scan in a photo, will ya?
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