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brighn
response 50 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 14:33 UTC 2000

Rane and John> I was demonstrating that, assuming the BEST case scenario (that
the failure rates are really 0.5%, and that the two values are independent),
the failure rate of the two together is still an appreciable value (at least,
in a country with this many people). Remember, if you're one in a million,
there's 6,000 people in the world just like you.

Not only are the failure rates not statistically independent, I don't believe
either rate is as low as that. Specific numbers are moot to the main point
(that being, there's no GUARANTEED way to avoid pregnancy, short of abstinance
or permanent surgery... and even that's been known to fail occasionally).

I was trying to avoid technicalities like that for the sake of the discussion.
rcurl
response 51 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 15:30 UTC 2000

We'd have a lot less to gas about if we ignored the technicalities.  8^}
brighn
response 52 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 6 16:57 UTC 2000

Yeah, yeah, but Edina didn't want numbers thrown at her anyway. =}
senna
response 53 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 04:13 UTC 2000

(yes, i was being sarcastic)
bdh3
response 54 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 08:19 UTC 2000

I think Donna S. for all her faults was on the right track when she
advocated teaching children to masturbate.  Distribute vibrators to
teenage girls and let them push their own buzzers and then teach them
that the only thing teenage boys is to wanna get into their pants. (Is
true as far as I remember.)  Also teach 'alternative sex' - oral sex.
There is a Presidential example for that one.  That is the solution to
the problem of abortions.

As for error rates, I personally know of one 'responsible' male that
poked holes with a pin in his condoms.  Think about it girls.  In
chicagoland there was a number of cases where 'homies' had a contest of
how many 'shorties' they could spawn.
brighn
response 55 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 15:05 UTC 2000

"is to wanna"?
mcnally
response 56 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 23:36 UTC 2000

  I take it "Donna S" is short for "Jocelyn Elders" in bdhspeak?
tod
response 57 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 00:36 UTC 2000

I was singing "Bad Girls" by Donna Summer
russ
response 58 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 00:58 UTC 2000

Re #19:  Sorry, Beady, but about 2/3 of all fertilized ova never make
to term under the best of conditions, and probably 3/4 of them under
average conditions.  Ergo, somewhere around 70% of all "children" (as
defined by some) go "down the toilet" naturally.  There is no way to
fix the "problem" either.

Given that this is natural, why are some people so upset about others
helping the process along for their own purposes?  It's none of their
damn business, and they should all be slapped silly and made to sit
in the corner until they agree to attend "Need To Get A Life Anonymous"
meetings as long as they still have active busybody tendencies.
tod
response 59 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 01:48 UTC 2000

So it's okay to pop pinholes in condoms? 8D
rcurl
response 60 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 05:47 UTC 2000

The anti-abortionists are still in the dark ages and think that something
other than biology is at work in pregnancy. 
bdh3
response 61 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 05:59 UTC 2000

(Re#56:  You are correct, my bad.)
brighn
response 62 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 15:14 UTC 2000

#59> No.
happyboy
response 63 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 16:09 UTC 2000

re: 60

<stands next to his buddy "The Stork" with arms folded
 and a *stern look* (tm)>

you better be waaay careful what you 'bout to say there, cowboy!



        ><
        --   <------- stern look.
brighn
response 64 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 19:05 UTC 2000

Your stern look more resembles somebody in the midst of a constipated push.
gull
response 65 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 20:16 UTC 2000

Re #21:  That's one thing I dislike about Bush.  He's vowed to end "sex ed"
and replace it with abstinance-only programs.  So basically he'd *ensure*
that people are ignorant about contraception.  It think that'd result in
more abortions, not less.
happyboy
response 66 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 21:11 UTC 2000


re64


        i poop on you!


     ><
     --


        *grunt*
brighn
response 67 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 21:18 UTC 2000

Are you saying I'm a shithead?
slynne
response 68 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 00:53 UTC 2000

well, I am in favor of medicaid abortions even though I dont particularly
like paying for other people's mistakes. The problem is that once the
mistake is made, we will end up paying for it in one way or another
anyway. For one thing, women who would qualify for a medicaid abortion are
also eligible for a medicaid live birth which costs at best 10 times more
than an abortion assuming there are no complications. For another thing, if
we dont pay for live births or abortions, we still have to pay in social
costs. There is no way not to pay. We might as well take the cheapest route.

beeswing
response 69 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 01:59 UTC 2000

i think the face sorta looks like Cartman when he's pissed 
off. ::shrug::
senna
response 70 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 04:44 UTC 2000

No wonder there's no end to the debate... dark ages, murderers, oppression,
holocaust.  People in the agrument clearly have no respect for the other side.
I think I'll start a third movement just to piss them off.
jazz
response 71 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 13:44 UTC 2000

        Steve, wherever did you get the idea that people come to their opinions
by rational means, and can be argued out of them by rational means?
brighn
response 72 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 14:09 UTC 2000

Disagreeing with a position and not respecting it are two different things.
jerryr
response 73 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 21:38 UTC 2000

as a pro-choicer i respect both sides of the argument.  the problem is,
pro-lifers, don't.
brighn
response 74 of 216: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 22:06 UTC 2000

There are pro-lifers who respect both sides of the argument.
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