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perch
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response 50 of 65:
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Mar 15 05:37 UTC 2006 |
I use the English pronunciation, "smith".
Sent to root and staff my discovery of how to send spam from new
accounts and I'm hoping to get a reward of full mail privileges.
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mrossarr
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response 51 of 65:
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Mar 15 07:40 UTC 2006 |
I have been reading these posts, as suggested by the notice about coop 3004
& coop 306. And being new here, I am dismayed at the problems. Yet they are
problems other systems suffer. I signed up here for Grex service with the hope
of regaining access to Lynx & Pine software. I was occationally using M-Net,
both system long distance for me, from Florida. Here in Fla. the best unix
system was only a kiosk, it was shut down years back. When M-Net basicly
disconnected, I searched & found Grex & several others. Junk mail is here to
stay for all systems, & AOL causes me to receive junk on Fastmail.fm email.
May I ask if the consideration of how a new user signs up has been considered.
What if a newuser must mail in an application as we did for the SEFLIN.org
system here in south Fla. The SEFLIN folks did need to open the mail, review
the application, then mail back the user ID & temporary password, but it did
provide a screening effect. Other systems do the same today. I do not suggest
the proof of ID photo crazy tribe with certified notary seal, but unless the
newuser can provide a valid mailing address, no access. To offset the cost
of this remailing, the newuser must provide a SASE. Fewer newusers might be
spam bumbs, & while staff must process the mail, they would not be busy
dumping spam accounts from the system as much.
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keesan
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response 52 of 65:
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Mar 15 15:58 UTC 2006 |
Are you paying AOL for internet access and if so why? There are plenty of
cheaper and better ways to get online. Perch, do you think there are new
users who really can't afford $6/month contribution to grex's operating
expenses in order to get outgoing email? Would it be helpful if people could
have a 1-month introductory membership for $1, which would provide outgoing
email, to be extended at the full rate later? Would this discourage spammers?
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perch
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response 53 of 65:
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Mar 15 21:25 UTC 2006 |
keesan, the password file has over 35,000 entries. How many are active?
I was starting to check but ran into disk quota errors. You could be
talking about a lot of money. What are the operating expenses, and where
does the money go? I'm not in a hurry to fund another beaurocracy.
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cross
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response 54 of 65:
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Mar 15 21:40 UTC 2006 |
Grex's operating expenses are posted in this group, usually once a month, by
the treasurer. Grex has a lot of users (as in, people who create accounts)
but very few of those are actually active; this system is rather a backwater
in terms of technology and usage.
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perch
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response 55 of 65:
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Mar 15 22:10 UTC 2006 |
I tried to use the search feature but it just keeps crashing.
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kingjon
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response 56 of 65:
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Mar 15 22:17 UTC 2006 |
Re #54: I thought accounts that hadn't been accessed in 3 months were deleted
from the passwd file.
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keesan
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response 57 of 65:
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Mar 15 23:00 UTC 2006 |
We have about 40 paying members right now, which is covering the phone and
internet connections (relatively cheap thanks to a kind local ISP), but
probably not leaving anything extra for hardware upgrades. Paying members
get outgoing FTP and telnet, not as a perk but because it prevents jerks from
taking advantage of grex to annoy people elsewhere, and jerks don't seem to
want to pay for FTP or telnet. Outgoing email has now been added to the list
of things we have to keep irresponsible users away from. Perhaps there could
be a half-membership category with email but not telnet?
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cross
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response 58 of 65:
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Mar 16 00:31 UTC 2006 |
Regarding #56; It depends. The reap process is semi-manual (there's a program
that does it, but someone has to actually run the program, and sometimes that
doesn't happen for several months at a time). What's more, there are a lot
of people who create accounts, login once or twice, and never come back. This
happens frequently, so while the number of entries in the password file is
medium size, the number who actually stick around relative to the total number
of entries is almost negligable.
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jesuit
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response 59 of 65:
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May 17 02:16 UTC 2006 |
TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE
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bassman
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response 60 of 65:
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Jun 7 22:03 UTC 2006 |
Hi All, I am new to Grex and had hoped to use it in part as a second
email account to bolster my Freeshell.org account (it does go down
sometimes...horrors!). I have read Coop 304 and 306 and have one
problem and a question that I haven't yet seen answered (maybe because
there is not answer yet).
First, before I noticed the message in the login blurb, I sent an email
message to 'staff@cyberspace.org' about the lack of email access and it
bounced because the address is acutally a link to an external email site
(hvcn.org). How can I communicate with the staff if my email can't get
to them?
Secondly, has any decisions been made as to when a new user becomes
trusted? Do I need to become a member? I haven't seen this mentioned
in the faq or in either Coop 304 or 306. Thanks for the help folks and
I must say I like what I see of this community. I hope to hang on the
music board an awful lot and make some new friends.
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cmcgee
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response 61 of 65:
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Jun 7 22:37 UTC 2006 |
This group has a horror of requiring membership for email access. I'm not
sure what the real answer is about when new email accounts will be enabled,
but you've found the right conference to ask in.
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cross
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response 62 of 65:
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Jun 7 23:02 UTC 2006 |
Make membership a requirement for email access. Come on, people, this isn't
1991 anymore.
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keesan
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response 63 of 65:
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Jun 8 01:58 UTC 2006 |
How about giving outgoing email access to anyone who asks for it politely in
this item and also pays for one month of membership while providing written
identification?
Freeshell has been down for most of the past three days.
The fastest way to get staff attention is to post to a conference. I think
staff gets bombarded with so many email they can't read them in real time.
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bassman
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response 64 of 65:
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Jun 8 22:45 UTC 2006 |
Thanks all. I guess it's membership time. Though maybe outgoing mail
privleges outght to be awarded to anyone who can figure out Perch's hack
around the block (unless, of course, that has already been 'fixed'!).
I understand the problem that Grex is having with this issue and there isn't
a one size fits all fix as has so elegantly been demonstrated in this thread.
The fact is there will ALWAYS be a way around the system, even with face to
face meet and greets etc. Maybe a good compromise is to limit every one to
one address per email. It would be fairly easy to block large mailings (say
anything over 10 emails at once or something of that nature), or perhaps I
ought to say it 'should' be fairly easy. I wouldn't think that would
inconvience most of the Grex community (at least in my modest 4 days of
experience!). But there it is. Membership isn't such a bad deal either.
Caio, everyone.
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keesan
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response 65 of 65:
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Jun 8 23:37 UTC 2006 |
Greg, do you know how to set up grex to allow sending only one email every
5 minutes, or whatever else would work to block spammers?
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