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keesan
response 50 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 19:09 UTC 2000

They probably meant rococo but they wrote Rocco.  For a budget line too cheap
to hire a proofreader for their only record jacket, they picked good music
and good performances.
keesan
response 51 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 23:58 UTC 2000

From a book by EMI.  The company was founded by several mergers, including
one with a branch of Columbia (later CBS, bought by Sony).  At one point they
also produced radios, TVs, refrigerators, etc., and owned some restaurants
and hotels, but undiversified.  Had licensing contracts with RCA Victor and
Columbia but antitrust laws ended this, so they bought Capitol Records in
1955, the fourth largest US record company.  (What was the third largest?).
Also marketed under Angel/Seraphim.
        First produced records in the 1890s, wax cylinders which were cut.
After about ten years switched to flat disks, first in the US then Britain,
where people were understandably reluctant to have to purchase a new
grammophone to play the new shape records.  Until around 1925 records were
recorded by making loud noises into a horn, they they got electric
microphones.  Eventually record players also electrified, somewhere around
the thirties when radio became more widespread.  You could buy a grammophone
or something that plugged into your radio for amplification.
        Stereo was first developed in the thirties but not marketed.  
        LP records (microgroove, on unbreakable vinylite instead of shellac,
which was short during the war), were sold starting in the later forties. 
78s were also sold at the same time for the next ten years (cylinder and disk
coexisted for about ten years earlier), but by the late 1958s only 33s and
45s were produced.  At which point everyone had had to buy a new record player
and new records.  In the late fifties the record companies then started to
make stereo records, meaning for the next ten years they sold both stereo and
mono (you could buy a special cartridge letting you play stereo records on
a mono player) and then only stereo.  Meaning people again had to replace
their record collection and record players.  (There was really no point in
coming out with stereo and LP at the same time, you would only have sold half
as many total records).
        By the late 60s only stereo records were made, and once everyone had
switched over they tried marketing quadraphonic, which flopped (but made a
comeback in the nineties).   Stereo records lasted 20 years before CDs came
out, but were seriously challenged in the seventies and eighties by 8-track
(a flop) and then cassette tapes.

        Can someone bring us up to date since 1987?  How widespread are formats
other than CD and cassette tape?  After 13 years are CDs due to become
obsolete?  We have noticed many working single-CD players coming in to
Kiwanis, so presumably the manufacturers managed to convince some people that
they had to replace their players with CD changers.  When do we start seeing
more working tape decks when people start replacing those with DAT?
keesan
response 52 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 17:39 UTC 2000

'When they are good, they are really really good, and when they are bad they
are horrid.'
I had promised to record some cello concertos for my new Serbian neighbor and
instead of my slightly scratchy records decided to get out library CDs.  The
first three got stuck at one spot.  Why do they do this?  One of them got
stuck at several spots.  Have not tried the other three but one of them looks
pretty scratched up.  

A few 10" records sounded awful, very faint sound alternating with not so
faint, not a scratchy but a dull sound. They looked very dusty.  In
disintegrating cellophane jackets with corners missing. Wiping off the dust
had no effect.  No visible scratches.  So I took them all to the kitchen sink,
ran water over them, noticed water-repellent areas, squirted dish detergent
onto these on the theory that it was grease holding dust which causes the
needle not to seat in the groove, and rubbed the detergent around for a while
then let it sit.  Repeated this up to ten times then left them to dry at an
angle propped against and on a linen dishtowel.  This has done miracles
before.  No sign of fingerprints, maybe they stored them in the kitchen.
The paper labels stayed on despite being rinsed for a while.
oddie
response 53 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 05:05 UTC 2000

re #51:
DVD is one thing that is supposed to replace CDs in the next few years,
though at the moment it seems that it is being used more for videos. (I think
it can hold about four times as much stuff as a CD, and I also think DVD
players can play CDs too.) Someone else can probably give a better answer than
me...

DAT is used in recording studios IIRC, but I don't know if it is going to
become a distribution format or not (didn't they already try that and find
that it was a commercial flop?)

re #52:
Scratched CDs tend to "skip" if they are scratched-probably it has something to
do with the laser not focusing properly. If it is a bad enough scratch the
player could skip for several seconds or possibly just "freeze" at that point.
Portable players generally come with "skip protection" these days (as jarring
the player will also make it skip). Perhaps a stationary player doesn't have
this kind of protection?  I have borrowed CDs from the library that were
scratched enough to make several tracks unplayable too.

orinoco
response 54 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 09:30 UTC 2000

I've never seen skip protection on a stationary player, but it's also been
years since I bought my CD player, and I haven't really looked to hard at
features since then.  And it's possible to scratch a CD (or shake a CD player)
so hard that even skip protection won't do you any good.
md
response 55 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 12:13 UTC 2000

I don't know why skip protection would be needed
on a stationary CD player.  Maybe for people who
live in earthquake zones?  As to CD vs DVD, our
DVD player will play any ordinary music CD.  Hook
it up to your amplifier and you're in business.
I note that there are DVDs of operas and "great"
performances.  (Karajan conducts Dvorak's "New World"
symphony, etc.) 
keesan
response 56 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 17:48 UTC 2000

A friend in Prague asked me to send her some American spirituals, on DAT. 
Is this format more common in Europe?  What does a DVD cost?
I have seen CD players skip when someone heavy walked across the room.

The washed records no longer sound dull, but now they sound scratchy.  The
dust must have done some damage.  Another record that sounded dull but was
not dusty washed up like new.

A Kiwanis volunteer explained that when cleaning CDs you should wipe them
radially (outside to inside or vice versa) as opposed to records, which you
should wipe in a circle (to avoid the dust or grit breaking down the
partitions between grooves).  CD players have built-in circuitry to average
out anything that messes up the sound for a fraction of a revolution so a
radial scratch can be corrected, but cannot deal with circular scratches.
keesan
response 57 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:12 UTC 2000

Record companies that I have run across:

European:  
Deutsche Grammophon - Germany
Erato - France (imported by RCA?)
EMI-Angel-Seraphim (bought Capitol) - England
Argo/Decca - England
London 'division of Polygram Classic NY' (British or American?)
EMI - England (also bought Capitol and owns Angel/Seraphim)
Supraphon - Czech
Melodiya - Russia
Philips - Netherlands

Did I miss any?

The larger US companies:
Columbia - Masterworks and Odyssey
RCA Victor - Red Seal
Capitol - sold to EMI in 1955  Capitol Classics, mostly pop
MHS Musical Heritage Society
Vox- Turnabout   NYC
Vanguard
Mercury - affiliated somehow with EMI

Smaller companies - are any still around on this list?
Westminster - Gold
Quintessence Critics Choice - MN
Pickwick International Design Spotlight Series
Musical Masterworks - recorded European performers and conductors
Lyrichord Stereo- NYC
Dover Publications - NYC
Book of the Month Club
Connoisseur Record Corp NJ
Concert Hall Society (red vinyl)
Musical Treasures 
Plymouth Merit (an hour of ....)
MGM Records - Heliodor
Murray Hill - I have two multirecord sets, one of all the greatest classical,
and one of Japanese classical.  
Collector's Library of the World's Musical Masterpieces (European world, that
is).  16 Magnificent Long-Playing Records.  All selections are complete and
performed by leading ARTISTS, CONDUCTORS, and ORCHESTRAS.
Steinberg, Krips, Stokowski, Sargent, Goossens, Etc.
(Has anyone heard of Sargent and Goossens?  Less well-known conductors include
Poliakin with the NY Stadium Symphony, Ludwig with London SYmphony, Dixon and
the Rundfunk Symphony, the Musical Arts Symphony, Wand and Cologne
Philharmonic).    Murray Hill was on Park Avenue in NYC.
orinoco
response 58 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:14 UTC 2000

Oh, _that's_ why they can deal with some scratches but not others.  Makes
sense.  cool.
keesan
response 59 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:20 UTC 2000

What is a Stadium Symphony?  I have run across them three times.
md
response 60 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 20:17 UTC 2000

Malcom Sargent was a British conductor.  
I don't know much about him, except that
he was the conductor on one of the first
LPs I ever acquired, Holst's Planets.

Eugene Goossens is remembered for being the
person who commissioned Aaron Copland's
"Fanfare for the Common Man."  Other than
that, I don't know anything about him.
krj
response 61 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 16:58 UTC 2000

My resp:39 covered much of what Sindi was asking in resp:57.
 
The classical record labels are more like brand names
now, than independent companies.
 
And they are all getting traded around like baseball cards.

Just to pick one example from Sindi's list:  There was a venerable
British company called Decca, which has been one of the biggest names
in opera recording for decades.  Decca marketed its American products
under the London name, for some reason.
 
At some point, I don't know when, Decca/London got absorbed by 
Polygram, the Dutch firm which also now owns Deutsch Gramophon 
(originally German) and Philips (originally Dutch, I think).
 
Last year, Seagrams, the Canadian liquor company which is now much 
more of a media company, merged its MCA music operations with 
Polygram's music holdings to create the Universal Music Group.
So, London/Decca, Deutsch Gramophon and Philips all report to 
Canadian management now.  
 
And, as far as I can tell, the London name is now being retired.
The same CDs used to be issued as Decca in the UK and London in 
Europe, but now they are coming out as Decca worldwide.
I believe this is being done to streamline marketing, and also to 
reflect the globalization of the classical music business.
In particular, I think the main classical music magazines are now 
all British publications; I can't think of any big American 
classical music magazine.
keesan
response 62 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 13:12 UTC 2000

Andy fixed a CD player, after cleaning both the player and the CD did not
prevent skipping, by pushing on something, which somehow realigned the gears.
A lot of things can go wrong with CDs and players.
What did Argo have to do with Decca?
Also found Epic, Monitor, and Summit (CMS records NYC).
dbratman
response 63 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 21:33 UTC 2000

Re the "Stadium Symphony":  orchestras you've never heard of with 
English-language names (German ones are mostly authentic obscure German 
regional orchestras) are mostly either 1) pick-up studio orchestras 
consisting of whoever the company could hire to sit in that week, or 2) 
famous orchestras recording under pseudonyms for contract reasons.  
Sometimes they're a combination of both.
keesan
response 64 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 01:46 UTC 2000

Such as the NBC Symphony Orchestra under Toscanini?  Were there any other good
studio orchestras?
keesan
response 65 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 02:41 UTC 2000

Another 'label' - Camden, a product of Radio Corporation of America.  With
Gruve Gard and PLUS fidelity on 12 inch Long Play Records.
A budget series?  Classical, Light Concert (Song of India, Blue Danube, I'm
Always Chasing Rainbows), Specialty (marches, movies) and Popular Standards
(star dust melodies, musicals, Guy Lombardo).

Classical Orchestras (from probably late forties or early fifties?)
Warwick Symphony, Centennial Symphony, Stratford Symphony, World Wide
Symphony, Regent Symphony under Charles O'Connell (the others had no conductor
mentioned), Festival Concert, Globe Symphony, Cromwell Symphony, Sussex
Symphony, Century Symphony, With Orchestra (presumably also With Conductor),
Soloists Chorus and Orchestra, and Golden Symphony Orch. Leonard Bernstein
Conductor.  

Are these orchestras as British as their names, or might they be put together
at the recording studio?  

A couple more on the other categories:  Mitchell Ayres Orch, H. Coates Orch.
Janssen Symphony of Los Angeles W. Janssen Cond.

Raymond Paige Orchestra and American Youth Orchestra.

Some titles:  The Heart of the Symphony (excerpts from 8 symphonies)
Richard Crooks Sings Songs of Faith:  Six Arias by Handel and Mendelssohn
and Oratorio Arias:  Six Songs, including Ave Maria--Panis Angelicus-Were You
There (With Orchestra)

I have an interesting description of how Toscanini was electronically
reprocessed for stereo to type in some other time.  It actually does sound
like stereo.  I also have the original 1953 mono recording.  For best
reproduction High Fidelity phonographs should be adjusted to the New
Orthophonic characteristic.  Where it is not designated on the instrument it
can be obtained by selecting the A. E. S. position and then, using the tone
controls, boosting bass and reducing treble, each by a small amount. 
Alternatively, the LP characteristic with the bass and treble each boosted
by a small amount may be used.

A Kiwanis volunteer was explaining that the better receivers processed signals
from the old ceramic phonographs differently from tape inputs.  Probably they
boosted bass etc.  A couple of our receivers have a switch between magnetic
and ceramic, and between two types of tape input.

Sounds like early record listening was somewhat of an art.
md
response 66 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 03:54 UTC 2000

The Dolby guy figured out, as did the rest of us
with early tape players, that you could greatly
diminish annoying tape hiss by turning the treble
way down.  What he also realized is that by recording
the original performance with the treble artificially
boosted up, you could then play it back with the 
treble reduced enough to net out to zero the artificial
treble boost, and there would be little or no tape hiss.  
(The hiss being an artifact of the tape itself, not of 
the recorded sound.)  You could turn the volume way up,
in fact, and there'd be hardly any audible tape hiss.
Thus began the era of really, really loud sound in 
movie theaters.  Or so it was once explained to me.
keesan
response 67 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 13:59 UTC 2000

THere would also be less of that annoying piccolo sound.  The receiver we had
was most likely pre-Dolby (also pre-cassette).
orinoco
response 68 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 20:17 UTC 2000

No, you'd end up with the same amount of piccolo sound, since it would be
boosted during recording and quieted during playback.

...or so the theory goes, at least.  I've heard a few people complain that
Dolby does bad things to the tone of music.  I don't remember the specifics,
though.  Anyone?
md
response 69 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 13:14 UTC 2000

Also, you can play Dolby tapes on a pre-Dolby
amplifier if you turn the treble down.  You have
to guess at it, though, whereas a "Dolby Logic"
amplifier will get it precisely right all by itself.
keesan
response 70 of 74: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 15:59 UTC 2000

Toscanini reprocessed for stereo.  Miracle Surface:  This record contains the
revolutionary new antistatic ingredient, 317X, which helps keep the record
dust free, helps prevent surface noise, helps insure faithful sound
reproduction.


One of stereo's greatest powers is that of irresistibly enhancing not only
recored and reproduced sound itself, but also its listerenrs' aural
sensibilities and appetitites..... And as we come to appreciate more fully
stereo's far more auditorium-authentic spaciousness, precise differentiations
among instrumental tibmres and source-locations, and superbly natural
'airborne' qualities, most of us tend--conciously or unconsciously--to become
progressivley less satisfied with everything which lacks these newly prized
and wholly delectable attractions.........

...the unforgettable performances conducted by Arturo Toscanini....prove to
be so much mroe moving and impressive than ever before [when heard in stereo]
that even their oldest and staunchest admirers have been stimulated to sense
the still greater drama and beauty which might be unveiled if by some new
technological miracle it were possible to endow even a small portion of the
Toscanini monophonic heritage with at least SOME of the magical appeal of
stereo sound.


[Some ways to do this:]
for example, dividing the frequency spectrum between, and/or differentiating
the loudness levels of, two channels results in distinctively stereo-like
'separation' - if too often at the cost of obvious channel imbalances and
conseequently unnatural sounding reproductiong.  To a lesser extent, the use
of time-delays and phase-shifts have similar advantages and disadvantages.
And while neither any one of these means alone nor several of them in
combination can be depended upon to operate AUTOMATICALLY at maximum
effectiveness throughout a whole composition or even a complete movement,
nevertheless the best results which can be obtained breifly seemed to promise
that it might be possible for a skillful engineer, who is also thoroughly
familiar with both the original performances and the musical scores
themselves, to manipulate a versatile battery of various processing devices
with enough virtuosity and critical taste to achieve many distinctive stereo
qualities, while still retaining the naturalness, relative sound levels, and
tonal colors of the monophonic originals.
        A research project was inaugurated in 1958 under the direction of a
young musician-engineer, Jack A. Somer. ......  After innumerable experiments
Mr. Somer was convinced that extremely complex and versatile equipment could
achieve the desired goal when the operation of that equipment was continuously
controlled by an operator who at the same time could scrupulously follow the
musical score requirements of constant page-by-page, or even bar-by-bar,
changes in instrumentation and sonority...
        The primary means of achieving channel differentiations and
sound-source localizations is frequency spectrum division -- a technical
procedure which finds some justification in 'live' performances from the fact
that a common orchestral seating plan assigns the majority of 'high' toned
instruments to the left.....  Yet, since merely arbitrarily splitting of all
the highs into one channel and all the lows into the other, while effectively
'placing' certain all-high and all-low instruments in definitely left and
right aural locations, often results in unnatural sonic imbalances, greater
naturalness as well as flexibility is achieved by varying (according to the
demands of the music itself) the specific frquency at which the spectrum
division or 'filtering' is made--and also by re-introducing into each channel
varying portions of some of the omitted frequencies.  At the same time,
provisions are made for feeding controllable amouns of the over-all original
signal into either or both channels, which not only further reduces
imbalances, but also, as the level fo the original-signal insertion is raised,
effectively 'moves' some apparent sound-sources nearer the desired position
in the sound picture.
        Even with this considerable control of instrumental separation and
localization, however, there would remain a lack of the 'spaciousness' that
is no less characteristic of true stereo sound.  Here this is approximated
by first by-passing portions of both the 'filtered' and original
(full-frequency) signals through reverberation (time-delay) chambers, and then
reintroducing them at appropriate levels into each channel.  In addition,
small-portions of the 'filtered-echo' signals from each channel are fed into
the other---thus approximating the distinctive true stereo characteristic
which results from each microphone's 'hearing' some part of the direct and
some part of the reflected sound picked up by the other microphones used. 
To enrich the overl-all sound and to give it more natural auditorium
reverberation and balance, a smaller amont of full-frequency echo is added
'out-of-phase' to both channels in order to broaden the total 'curtain of
sound' and to spread it more evenly between the two playback speakers......


(Small print, fills the entire jacket back, with no room for information about
the composer, the piece, or the performer.  There is a one line biography of
the person who wrote the above.  This is a technological miracle they are
selling here, not a performance of Dvorak's New World Symphony.)
It does sound different from the mono, and better.  
But I am used to listening to mono radio as that removes the hiss that you
get on weak stations, and all the classical stations come from 60 or more
miles away so are pretty weak.  Why does stereo hiss but mono does not?
krj
response 71 of 74: Mark Unseen   Apr 19 16:42 UTC 2000

News item:  the Washington Post reports today that BMG Classics is 
being gutted in a corporate reorganization.  BMG, Bertelsmann Music 
Group, is one of the four remaining major record companies, and in the US 
their main classical imprints have been RCA Victor and RCA Red Seal.
 
Most of the artists BMG has under contract are being cut loose, and at 
best BMG's classical division will release only a handful of new 
recordings.
 
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40560-2000Apr18.html
orinoco
response 72 of 74: Mark Unseen   Apr 19 22:33 UTC 2000

<blinks>
This is getting ridiculous....
davel
response 73 of 74: Mark Unseen   Apr 21 01:24 UTC 2000

Ouch.  OUCH.
keesan
response 74 of 74: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 14:23 UTC 2000

I have before me a Pro Arte Digital record of Bach's Magnificat, conducted
by Joshua Rifkin.  A round gold medallion proclaims that it was Imported from
Europe (Pro Arte Records).  The jacket tells me that the performace was
recorded in New York, at the American Academy and Institute of Arts and
Letters, in Sept and Dec 1982.  Copyright by Intersound, 1984.  Manufactured
in the USA by Intersound, Inc., Minneapolis.

Okay, so we have a record recorded in NY in 1982, manufactured in Minneapolis
no later than 1984, and imported from Europe.

The recording was done on some 17th and 18th century violins, as well as on
a trumpet made in 1978 after a 1746 model from Nurnberg, a 1740-imitation
flute made in San Francisco in 1980, a 1980 New York bassoon imitating a
London 1747 original, a 1979 oboe imitating 1730, a 1982 oboe imitation 1720,
and last but definitely not least, an oboe made by Jonathan Bosworth and
Stephen Hammer, Acton, MA, 1983 (sic!) after Johann Porschmann, Leipzig, ca
1730).

Can someone explain how the oboe player managed to play it in 1982?

It is a very nice recording.
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