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Grex > Agora46 > #192: Just like in the (B Grade) movies -- Pizza Delivery Man Blown Up | |
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pvn
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response 50 of 61:
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Sep 7 05:17 UTC 2003 |
And cops have bolt cutters in their squads nowdays? And how do the cops
know there is a bomb before it goes off? Up until that point he was a
suspect in a bank robbery and the usual practice - by the book- is to
cuff 'em. Look, the cops are probably even more pissed about this as
somebody used their proceedure against them and made them look bad. I
can assure you that everyone involved is probably wondering how they
could have improved reaction times and process to ensure better outcome
in the future. The person to blame is the truely sadistic coward who
made the pizza delivery guy rob the bank.
Personally, I do think that it would have been nice if one of the
officers had thought to toss the guy his vest to put between the bomb
and he but even that would probably have be a futile gesture (would end
up with a broke neck anyways).
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russ
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response 51 of 61:
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Sep 7 10:26 UTC 2003 |
Re #48: They should have loaned the guy a flak vest to stuff under
or around the collar, if they had one. And if they were concerned
about him running off they could have cuffed him to a sign (leaving
his hands free). In retrospect a flak vest probably would have
deflected most of the damage; given that the collar was completely
intact after the fact, there were no high explosives involved.
I don't buy this talk about SOP. You'd expect the poor traumatized
civilian to follow orders after being hooked to a bomb, but the cops
are supposed to be professionals. They are PAID to do the right thing,
PAID to think in stressful situations, PAID to take necessary risks to
themselves to protect the public. I didn't see them earning their pay
that day.
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tod
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response 52 of 61:
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Sep 7 15:19 UTC 2003 |
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bru
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response 53 of 61:
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Sep 8 02:33 UTC 2003 |
I still haven't heard if they knew how much time they had. I didn't say they
did the wrong thing, just that I am not sure they did the right thing.
I don't know what they could have done that would have worked or ifg anything
they did would have.
The flak vest idea probably would NOT have worked. I wear one of those, and
they don't lend thamselves to bending well.
If an officer had a vest witha chest plate, he might, might, have been able
to interpose it. Even so, the best choice might have been water immerssion
if there was a pond nearby. even though the DC would still have sent the
signal, if the primer wasn't water proof, it may have doused the bang, it
might have stopped the timer.
Problem is, there are a lot of things I can think to try, but nothing theat
was 100% positive without an expert looking at it before hand. And many of
the things I can think of might have made it worse if the Bomb Squad had got
there in time.
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russ
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response 54 of 61:
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Sep 8 03:16 UTC 2003 |
Re #52: The cops had enough time to sit around while a TV news
crew arrived, set up and shot footage. That's plenty of time to
do something.
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happyboy
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response 55 of 61:
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Sep 8 08:07 UTC 2003 |
"hey fellers, lets throw apples at the retard wearing the bomb
necklace!"
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jmsaul
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response 56 of 61:
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Sep 8 11:44 UTC 2003 |
Bruce's water immersion idea isn't a bad one. The other quick anti-bomb
method, shooting it with a shotgun, wouldn't have worked out well...
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goose
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response 57 of 61:
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Sep 8 14:20 UTC 2003 |
I think the criminals saw the Japanese film "Battle Royale" (Original
title:"Batoru rowaiaru")
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gull
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response 58 of 61:
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Sep 8 15:06 UTC 2003 |
I doubt they knew how much time they had. Bombs only have big red
digital displays that count down to zero in the movies. I think they
did the right thing -- they cleared the area and waited for the experts
to arrive. In this case it didn't work, but 99% of the time it would have.
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tod
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response 59 of 61:
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Sep 8 16:51 UTC 2003 |
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other
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response 60 of 61:
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Sep 9 05:07 UTC 2003 |
I suspect that there were things they could have done that they didn't,
but I also suspect that given how little they knew about the actual
circumstances leading up to their interaction with this guy, there was
little that they reasonably should have chosen to do other than what they
did.
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pvn
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response 61 of 61:
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Sep 11 05:52 UTC 2003 |
Again, the collar survived the blast. IF they had thought to put a flak
vest between his body and the device force of the blast if anything
would have jerked the collar forward even more probably breaking his
neck. The dude was probably a gonner no matter what the cops did given
the limited amount of time the cops had.
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