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Grex > Coop8 > #77: >>> Grex needs to move <<< |  |
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kaplan
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response 488 of 561:
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Oct 6 21:56 UTC 1996 |
7 years!? What if income drops? What if POTS and modems get less popular
and the users want to switch over to cable modems or ISDN or something? This
sounds scary. Is there an option to reduce the numebr of lines in the future
as well as increase? Will a better company than Ameritech come into town and
drive down the prices before the end of the 7 years? Sounds more than a bit
frightening to me.
That said, Steve, I trust that you considered all the options before doing
this and I'm sure everything will be fine.
Many thanks to Steve for all the time and effort you've been devoting to grex
lately. Once the move is done, take a sanity-preserving vacation!
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robh
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response 489 of 561:
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Oct 6 22:33 UTC 1996 |
Is that 15 business days, or 15 days? If the former, we need to
contact the Building Variance Board and tell them we need more time
to move. (Having a signed phone contract and lease should help.)
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popcorn
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response 490 of 561:
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Oct 6 22:40 UTC 1996 |
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kami
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response 491 of 561:
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Oct 7 04:25 UTC 1996 |
Popcorn, call me in the morning. I don't have your number and don't knwo
how many more times I can turn on this monitor. It's clear now, it was a
mess when I first started it up. I'll see you tomorrow, if everything is ok.
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steve
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response 492 of 561:
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Oct 7 14:26 UTC 1996 |
We chose the seven year contract because its going to give us absolute
price stability for the next seven years. Phone line costs are going to
go up sharply in the next year, and we've avoided all that.
Dial tones offered by other companies aren't going to be available
for some time--possibly as long as three years. And, when they are
finally offered, their lower price than Ameritech is still very likely
to be higher than what we'er currently paying now.
It's a little depressing to say this, but other forms of net
connectivity aren't going to be that great for a while, either.
Besides security problems, a cable company offering net access is
going to have speed problems. Think of a 100Mbps connection spread
out over 10,000 users (a low figure) and things start getting slow.
POTS connectivity to Grex is going to be the fastest, most
readily available system for most normal people. I can see Grex
getting other forms of connectivity in the next fews years, but
they won't be the universal method as the old phone line.
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steve
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response 493 of 561:
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Oct 7 21:16 UTC 1996 |
Good news on the phone installation.
The date for the changeover is now either October 18th (Friday)
or October 17th (Thursday). If it's possible to do this on the
17th, it will happen then.
The not great ws is that we aren't going to know when exactly
to make the move for a while. But at least we have it narrowed
down to a two day window, leaving one business day (Monday the
21st) as a sort of horrible cushion if the installation falls flat
on its face Friday.
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popcorn
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response 494 of 561:
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Oct 7 22:57 UTC 1996 |
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popcorn
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response 495 of 561:
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Oct 7 23:07 UTC 1996 |
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steve
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response 496 of 561:
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Oct 7 23:47 UTC 1996 |
Bill put in four new lights--I installed them on Sunday night.
Actually, he gave us six new lights; the two left on the ground
are the two that were dying which I replaced.
I figured ou tthat the cable lying there isn't quite what we
want, so we may still wind up buying a 25 pair cable and installing
it ourselves.
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tsty
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response 497 of 561:
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Oct 8 06:24 UTC 1996 |
about the resident lines in teh pumpkin (great fun today) ...
there is one hot pots line in the wall covered by a plate. that is the
perfume ppl's line.
inside that little alcove/closet are two (or one cut at the alcove) 50pr
cables. the end of one is punched into 66-blocks and the lines out
are/were for an internal phone switch.
the other 50pr is not terminated - i skinned of some insulation to
use my toner (a toy ?timothy? (kami's kid) had fun with while i was
installing batteries and showing him how it allworks) on the cables.
the building is fed with a 300pr cable flown into the 2nd story, proceeding
to the east side and then droppingot the phone closet in the basement.
the basement is also fed with 3 25pr underground cables.
the good news is that all four cables are hot! dial tone and battery all
over the place.
the (dammit) bad news is that neither ends of the 2 50pr cables in our
alcove shows up in the (dammit) phone closet! shit! sorry, i'm ticked.
there is one section of the building, though, that i couldn't check.
the 300pr cable enters the phone room through a horizontal, 3" dia,
conduit. also through that conduit go several sets of 25/50 pr inside
wiring.
there might be a secondary phone closet somewhere on the other side of
that wall. dunno, that's on the side toward the landlord's office adn
he wasn't in late this afternoon.
i got to meet *several* of the tenants of the pumpkin today whilst
tracing the cables. i think this is an excellent location with a nice
above-ground room and sufficiently reasonable security. there are two ways
into our hallway though, and the one door that leads to the east side
of the building needs to be checked. the pathway tothe south entrance
(the one directly on huron) is much more easily checked adn probably
more used as well.
very good news on the phone co. steve - sure wish i could finagle a
way to go to those classes with you. hey -ya need a backup, right?
let's let them train two of us.
anyway, there is a longer string on the light inside the alcove - at
least i was able to improve that situation.
.............. and painting was great fun.
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kami
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response 498 of 561:
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Oct 8 08:08 UTC 1996 |
Valerie- I painted too! :{ All done? How's it look? Timothy wants us
to come back and show Papa. OK? I'll call you.
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popcorn
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response 499 of 561:
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Oct 8 19:34 UTC 1996 |
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kami
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response 500 of 561:
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Oct 9 02:14 UTC 1996 |
Thanks Valerie. I was only pretend pouting. But I *am* proud of myself for
taking a risk in an area where I don't have a huge amount of confidence. I'm
looking forward to seeing your butterfly.
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nephi
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response 501 of 561:
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Oct 9 03:50 UTC 1996 |
Actually, if STeve and TS are able to find a mutually
agreeable time, what Ameritech will most likely do is
send out a person to <wherever> to do the training.
Don't expect this person to be very knowledgeable,
though. We were very unimpressed with the person that
Ameritech sent to us.
At any rate, make *sure* that the Ameritech training
person *leaves the Centrex Mate manual*. It is that
manual which will have the answers to all of your
questions. Also, given that I manage all the Centrex
lines for our company, and given that you'll get an
800 number to dial, I can help you manage the hunt
from here. <grin> And don't forget to put cfdtn on
each of the lines. 8^)
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scg
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response 502 of 561:
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Oct 9 04:12 UTC 1996 |
What is cfdtn?
(Actually, if more than one person from Grex can go get trained in this stuff,
it would probably be better to send multiple Grex staffers, rather than just
random interested Grexers. It's great that both STeve and Mike will know how
to do this stuff, but there may be times when something needs to be done to
the lines and neither STeve or Mike are available)
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tsty
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response 503 of 561:
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Oct 9 09:19 UTC 1996 |
a reasonable portion of my support *does* come from direct telephone
work, and adding more qualifications to assist grex as well as me would
appear to be more advantageous that 'randomly interested,' if taht was
part of the implication, above. <g>
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dang
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response 504 of 561:
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Oct 9 15:23 UTC 1996 |
(I suspect his idea was that staff was more likely than non staff of any kind
to know what proplems are and that they need to be fixed.)
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blh
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response 505 of 561:
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Oct 9 19:10 UTC 1996 |
I just read the entire discussion (1st time) because I wanted to check
moving date since my pick-up truck has asked for the chance to do the
move (not only computers have ego's ;) ) I wlts that I am impressed
y wht has gone in to this effort. I do have an idea for the desk.
It would possibly be a viable "statement" for Joe tiboni in his front
yard. I am sure he could do something with it. Thanks for being
such a great process!
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popcorn
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response 506 of 561:
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Oct 9 22:31 UTC 1996 |
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steve
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response 507 of 561:
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Oct 10 00:36 UTC 1996 |
Ben, with the new place, we'll have plenty of room for the
desk.
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nephi
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response 508 of 561:
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Oct 10 22:50 UTC 1996 |
You're exactly right, Valerie. With cfdtn, you
can forward a call to the next line in the hunt
after three rings. With cfdvt=#, you can specify
the number of rings after which it will forward.
We have our lines set to forward after two rings,
since all our modems answer after one ring.
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steve
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response 509 of 561:
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Oct 11 14:42 UTC 1996 |
Another cool feature of Centrex, nearly eliminating people
crashing into a dead modem.
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ewhisam
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response 510 of 561:
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Oct 11 17:19 UTC 1996 |
Did we move??? I think we did the right thing in deciding to move! :)
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ajax
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response 511 of 561:
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Oct 11 17:26 UTC 1996 |
Nope, moving is *next* Thursday or Friday. And moving was rather
forced, but it still wasn't a bad idea :-).
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steve
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response 512 of 561:
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Oct 11 19:04 UTC 1996 |
Everyone will know when we're mobing, because Grex will be shut down
during that time period. I'm hoping for only 4 hours or so, but that
will mutate into an entire day if the phone don't transfer over easily.
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