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tod
response 48 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 19:01 UTC 2002

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jp2
response 49 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 19:09 UTC 2002

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mynxcat
response 50 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 19:13 UTC 2002

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gull
response 51 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 19:26 UTC 2002

Does Grex even have a suitable meeting space available to it that would have
a phone line?  If not, accomidating a non-local member might be a
significant expense, if we had to go from getting meeting space for free to
renting it somewhere.  I think the people who are blaming this on
"xenophobia" are trying to gloss over the real logistical problems, or maybe
just trying to stir the pot.
mynxcat
response 52 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 19:30 UTC 2002

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jp2
response 53 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 19:41 UTC 2002

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mynxcat
response 54 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 19:56 UTC 2002

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other
response 55 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 20:03 UTC 2002

The primary reason this issue has not been addressed is that it has never 
been relevant.  When a non-local member runs for board and is elected, 
then we will have to deal with it, and we will, but until then, there are 
only hypotheticals guiding the potential solutions, so why waste the 
effort?


Grex BOD presently meets in a small room at Zingerman's, a local food 
emporium, when said room is available.  If not, we improvise.
bhelliom
response 56 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 20:05 UTC 2002

resp:48 - I don't spend a whole lot of mental energy on insults for 
people who don't deserve the attention, so I'm going to to speak solely 
on the topic you had the lack of class to perpetuate.  Since you've 
never given anything remotely resembling a coherent argument to link my 
post to a xenophobic mindset, your opinion has little substance.   Once 
more for the record, are you or or are you not posting such an 
accusation?
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Sapna, WCC is Washtenaw Community College. Other answered the other 
question.

mynxcat
response 57 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 20:09 UTC 2002

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bhelliom
response 58 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 20:19 UTC 2002

I *do* agree that something should be in place before this happens, 
instead of crossing bridge when the BOD comes to it, as there are 
several issues that, ideally, should be addresse.  This would likely 
cause serious churn if the issue isn't resolved until an "out-of-
towner" gets elected.  Look how long it takes to get quarum every month.
md
response 59 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 20:31 UTC 2002

57:  I was thinking the same thing.  What's the point of even allowing 
an out-of-towner to run if you don't even know whether he or she will 
be allowed to teleconference in?  The decision has to be made first.  
If you think it's a good idea that someone 500 miles away should run 
for BoD, then you should think teleconferencing is a good idea, too.  
Personally, I think it's a very good sign that people from out of the 
area want to get involved.  

Fwiw, you can pick up one of those conference call thingies that you 
set in the middle of the table very cheap at Office Max.
other
response 60 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 20:36 UTC 2002

The factors which weigh on the decision are primarily the current state 
of technology which would allow a nonlocal board member to have a 
functional presence at a meeting, and the cost of implementation.  Since 
these factors are impossible to determine in advance, any effort to 
decide a course of implementation in advance is a waste of time, in my 
considered opinion.

I do not believe there is significant opposition, in principle, to the 
election of nonlocal board members, all other things being equal.  So, 
the process of dealing with such a situation would not be ideological, 
but practical.  Which technology to employ, and how to handle the cost, 
not whether to do something.  I do not believe there is any reasonable 
basis for fears that an elected board member would be left out in the 
cold because of either action or inaction on the part of either the rest 
of the board or of the membership.
mynxcat
response 61 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 20:43 UTC 2002

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polygon
response 62 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 21:28 UTC 2002

Speaker phones and phone calls are cheap.  I don't think cost is an issue.

I used to be a member of the Arbornet (M-Net) board.  One of the things we
noticed was that online interaction among the board members had all the
pitfalls of, well, online interaction.  Face-to-face meetings brought out
the best in people, and disputes which seemed intractable online were
worked out easily in person.  Thus, I would be opposed to using "party" or
similar text mode for board meetings.  I suppose that voice conferencing
is better, even if not quite as good as face-to-face. 

Grex's community is far more geographically dispersed than ever before,
and it makes sense that its leadership (at least the board) reflect that.
other
response 63 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 21:54 UTC 2002

If you wish me to keep repeating myself, reread my previous posts and 
pretend I reentered them. 
jp2
response 64 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 22:49 UTC 2002

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other
response 65 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 00:26 UTC 2002

What of the things I said are you claiming is wrong?  And if it is wrong, 
what then is right?
mary
response 66 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 00:28 UTC 2002

Could a conference call thingie work for multiple board members
participating at the same time?  Would these same remote board 
members be able to carry out the duties of president, secretary and
treasurer?  And how expensive would it be to have a multiple remote
site conference call for 2 hours?

The concept is interesting but I'd really like to see the details
of how it would come together, be fair to all, and affordable.
jp2
response 67 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 00:44 UTC 2002

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jp2
response 68 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 00:48 UTC 2002

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mary
response 69 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 00:51 UTC 2002

So the connection should be good enough for the secretary to take
accurate minutes.  I've never been part of a conference call but
it must be better than what you'd get out of a standard speaker 
phone and certainly a cell phone.

The President makes arrangements for reserving the room we
meet in, signing documents, and following up with contacts both
local and remote.  The president also draws up the agenda, posts
it online, and keeps the meetings as on topic as possible.
After watching how difficult this last bit is I really wonder
if someone on the end of a telephone line could handle that one.

The treasurer's job would be difficult unless they could make it
to town for the mail and banking.

But I so like the idea of opening up the board to more candidates
that I'd love to have someone show me this could all work, well.
jp2
response 70 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 00:52 UTC 2002

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mary
response 71 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 00:55 UTC 2002

Propose it be changed.  
jp2
response 72 of 299: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 01:02 UTC 2002

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