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twenex
response 475 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 18 17:32 UTC 2003

Being against Saddam doesn't mean being in favour of that particular
war, or against it; or the reverse. It's a new concept (in some
quarters), and it's called "subtlety".
klg
response 476 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 18 17:39 UTC 2003

As in "subtle liar," Mr. tweenex?
twenex
response 477 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 18 18:33 UTC 2003

No.
willcome
response 478 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 18 18:56 UTC 2003

http://www.peoplecanchange.com/
fitz
response 479 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 18 19:14 UTC 2003

Prior to the invasion of Iraq, while it was really believed that Iraq
actually
did have stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, the countries around
Iraq--even Kuwait--did not think that Saddam was an imminent threat.  Perhaps
the known track record of Saddam to kill his own country's population
emboldened them.   

More likely, the countries around Iraq relied on Saddam to refrain from acts
that would very likely compel France and Russia to side with the US.
klg
response 480 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 01:11 UTC 2003

Perhaps.  For those who limit their thinking to the short term.  With 
the consequences being that thereafter Iraq - known to have made a 
deal with North Korea for the purchase of missiles and being assisted 
in nuclear technology by Russia - would have the wherewithall to 
blackmail the world just as North Korea has done successfully.  (Is it 
just us, but are not the first two sentences of the response 
immediately preceeding totally contradictory?)
richard
response 481 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 03:23 UTC 2003

I wonder...if Saddam was a white anglo-saxon, would this have happened? I
seriously think that the racial issue plays a factor in making some people
in this country more uncomfortable with some leaders than others.  One of the
more damaging fallouts from this conflict and a whole host of post-9/11
actions, is that many many muslims in the middle east (most of them in all
likelihood) think the U.S. is racist and imperialistic.  I commend Howard Dean
for saying bluntly that capturing Saddam HAS NOT made america safer.  Because
in fact the whole process of doing so has caused a greater number of people
in the world to hate us than ever before
jmsaul
response 482 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 03:29 UTC 2003

Well... Milosevic is a white guy.  Slavic, but white and english-speaking and
everything.

Our government *is* imperialistic.  The neocons don't even bother to deny it.

Racist?  Not exactly, but certainly culturally biased.

That said, the cultures of the Middle East have a lot of bad attributes too.
richard
response 483 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 03:43 UTC 2003

ok culturally biased, but admit that more people now hate us than ever before.
How does that make us safer?  Hate breeds more hate
willcome
response 484 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 04:46 UTC 2003

There's no country in the world which is undemocratic and has a Caucasian
majority.
gull
response 485 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 15:27 UTC 2003

Re resp:480: I'm surprised you're still willing to argue that Iraq had a
nuclear program.  Where is it?
klg
response 486 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 17:21 UTC 2003

re:  "#482 (jmsaul):  . . .Our government *is* imperialistic.  The 
neocons don't even bother to deny it. . . ."

Mr. jmsaul,
Don't be silly.  Which neocons do you have in mind?


re:  "#483 (richard): . . . but admit that more people now hate us than 
ever before. . . ."

Herr richard:
No.  More people hate us today than the day before Saddam was 
captured??  Prove it.

(Go How-veird!!)
mcnally
response 487 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 18:01 UTC 2003

  re #484:  patently false, as I can think of several obvious
  counter-examples to your claim.  Of course it becomes a bit
  harder if you choose to stretch your definition of democracy
  beyond reason.  If the Pope is elected by the College of
  Cardinals, does that make the Vatican a democracy?
jp2
response 488 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 18:27 UTC 2003

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tod
response 489 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 23:45 UTC 2003

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twenex
response 490 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 01:24 UTC 2003

Re: #484: If true, that's probably got to do with the fact that their
isn't a single country in the world that has a Caucasian majority and
where people living anywhere above the breadlne aren't filthy rich
compared to the average in the rest of the world - i.e. the
middle=classes effectively represent  the largest or moot powerful
class.
tod
response 491 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 01:29 UTC 2003

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twenex
response 492 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 01:46 UTC 2003

Whether it be or no, I don't think Isrealis are classed as Caucasians,
sicne they are related to the Egyptians the Berbers of North Africa,
and the Arabs. Caucasians the world over have a nasty habit ;-) of
speaking Indo-European languages natively.
klg
response 493 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 02:26 UTC 2003

News flash:
In a surprise move today, Colonel Qaddafi of Libya, to show his 
growing hatred for the U.S. and his desire to make us less safe, 
announced he is dismantling his nuclear weapons program and allowing 
the entry of international inspectors.  Lefties are now quaking in 
their beds since this is a clear reaction to the U.S. quagmires in 
Afghanistan and Iraq.  How-weird Dean (Go, How-vierd) in close 
consultation with his buddy Herr richard, caught with their shorts 
down, have, to our knowledge not yet issued a statement critical of 
the Bush administration's handling of this crisis.  But one is 
expected shortly.
keesan
response 494 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 02:47 UTC 2003

Lots of people in this country who are not 'Caucasian' speak English.
jmsaul
response 495 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 05:55 UTC 2003

Re #486:  The ones who wrote the position paper about preventing the growth
          of regional superpowers.
twenex
response 496 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 12:32 UTC 2003

Yes, but a hefty proportion of those who speak Indo-European languages
in its home area are Caucasian, excluding immigrants from countries
where non-Indo-European languages are spoken, and thos in the Indian
sub-continent, and Iran. There are also still many many rural places
in Africa where, although the whites speak Indo-European languages and
many middle class native Africans do, the rural indigenous
populatrions do not speak it at all, let alone natively.

This is possibly also true of some isolated places in Australia.
scott
response 497 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 14:14 UTC 2003

Re 493:  Excellent news.  I hope that Pres. Bush won't kick out the inspectors
the way he did in Iraq...
gelinas
response 498 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 14:42 UTC 2003

(There are many dark-skinned Caucasians in India.  Iran, too, I think.)
twenex
response 499 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 14:58 UTC 2003

My understanding is that "Caucasian" does not include dark-skinned
Indo-Europeans. If it does, then you can delete "and those...Iran" in
my response above.
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