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tpryan
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response 47 of 184:
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Jan 17 23:16 UTC 2002 |
One belt to rule them all!
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rcurl
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response 48 of 184:
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Jan 18 06:48 UTC 2002 |
There is also the Great Serpentine Belt of New South Wales, or the closer
Vermont-Quebec serpentine belt.
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danr
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response 49 of 184:
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Jan 18 12:56 UTC 2002 |
I knew a serpent that got belted one time. He pretty much had to crawl
out of the bar.
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russ
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response 50 of 184:
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Jan 18 14:15 UTC 2002 |
One of the things about synthetic oil is that it is VERY
close to water-clear; there is only a very slight yellow
tinge to it when it is fresh. This makes it quite difficult
to tell if your oil level is okay or not for the first
few hundred miles after an oil change.
But I love having an engine that is so clean that the oil
is nearly pristine. It's got to be good for the engine, too.
Re #46: A serpentine belt takes less depth than several
layers of V-belts, making it easier to squeeze more things
into a smaller engine compartment (or make the engine
compartment smaller, yet hold the same engine + accessories).
Electric accessory drives are coming; expect the serpentine belt
to disappear, leaving one itty-bitty belt for the water pump.
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lynne
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response 51 of 184:
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Jan 18 15:28 UTC 2002 |
New question: What causes a battery to go dead if you didn't leave your
lights on? (interior *or* exterior). I was unpleasantly surprised last night.
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gull
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response 52 of 184:
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Jan 18 17:10 UTC 2002 |
Re #50: And presumably one for the alternator, right?
On my Honda the water pump is driven by the timing belt; if that breaks
you aren't going anywhere anyway. All the other accessories are driven
by external belts. It's possible to limp along with any of those
broken, though in the case of the alternator belt how far you can get
depends on how long the battery charge holds out.
Re #51: A sufficiently old battery will go dead on its own. Otherwise,
it could be you have something that's draining the battery, and isn't
shutting off when the ignition is turned off. Sometimes a shorted wire
will cause this. So will leaving something that draws a lot of power
plugged into the cigarette lighter.
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keesan
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response 53 of 184:
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Jan 18 17:26 UTC 2002 |
Jim was able to go 20 miles without an alternator belt but then the car would
not start. He was able to go 10 miles the next time, with the lights on
(barely visible) and then not start. What else normally draws power other
than the starter and the lights?
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rcurl
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response 54 of 184:
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Jan 18 18:47 UTC 2002 |
I discovered an unexpected battery drain, which was the rear interior
light in a wagon, which came on when the back door was not fully latched
(and the latch was getting dirty and sticky). One would not notice it in
daylight...and the battery would just be dead the next morning.
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keesan
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response 55 of 184:
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Jan 18 19:39 UTC 2002 |
Jim eliinated the chance of the lights draining the battery by disconnecting
all those lights that come on automatically when you open the door.
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bru
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response 56 of 184:
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Jan 18 20:25 UTC 2002 |
It could just be ashort in the battery.
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void
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response 57 of 184:
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Jan 18 21:06 UTC 2002 |
It could be bad battery cables or corroded posts and connectors.
It's not a bad idea to get one of those wire battery post cleaners and
scrub the posts and connectors once or twice a year. Auto parts stores
also sell felt rings soaked in anti-corrosion stuff which just slip on
over the battery posts. Put the connectors back on so that they are
also in contact with the felt rings, and corrosion problems will be
greatly reduced.
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lynne
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response 58 of 184:
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Jan 18 23:10 UTC 2002 |
I parked the car at night, so I'm reasonably sure I would have noticed an
interior light getting left on. And the battery terminals don't look
particularly corroded. I hadn't done any real highway driving for a while;
I suppose it's possible that I ran down the battery sufficiently that it
wouldn't hold its charge. (I don't actually know how old the battery is,
since I've only had the car about 5 months.)
I'm *very* happy with Triple A, though. They were out to jump me about 10
minutes after I called in.
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gelinas
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response 59 of 184:
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Jan 19 04:10 UTC 2002 |
My Cutlass had an unexpected drain; the dealer finally figured out by putting
someone in the trunk: the switch had gone bad and the light was always one.
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scott
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response 60 of 184:
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Jan 19 13:39 UTC 2002 |
I had battery drain problem a few years ago. I traced it down by putting an
ammeter between the battery and the rest of the car, and then pulling fuses
until the meter showed zero current. Turned out to be the new alternator I*'d
put in.
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rcurl
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response 61 of 184:
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Jan 19 14:47 UTC 2002 |
Would that have been a problem in the battery charging circuitry?
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russ
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response 62 of 184:
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Jan 21 05:06 UTC 2002 |
Re #52: Nope, because no alternator on that end of the engine any more.
The alternator will be replaced by an "integrated starter-generator"
built into the flywheel, which will be able to put out upwards of 5 KW.
This will be part of the move to 42 volt electrical systems. Power
steering and air conditioning will be driven electrically. If you
think about how much freedom this will offer to the designer by
getting rid of mechanical constraints, it's obvious that we'll see
some neat advances as a result. It will also get rid of the need for
an engine at all, making the transition to electric/fuel cell easier.
Detroit finds it much easier to create new models if there's plenty
of commonality of parts (see Neon/PT Cruiser), so this gives you a
hint of where the whole industry is going.
Re #58: If you haven't checked the water level and specific gravity
in the battery, do so; you probably are not over-charging it but you
may have a shorted or leaky cell. Also see about load-testing it. If
that battery is dying, you want to replace it before it strands you.
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lynne
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response 63 of 184:
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Jan 21 14:58 UTC 2002 |
A friend who drove the car for a bit also noticed a few things that he
thought indicated a dying battery. The past few days I've been driving it
a couple times a day and it's been fine, but I went and bought a new battery
yesterday. They tried to sell me a 100 month warranty instead of a 72 month
one; I don't really plan to keep the car much beyond grad school so I declined.
Stay tuned for adventures in installation!
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gull
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response 64 of 184:
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Jan 21 15:01 UTC 2002 |
Re #59: Reminds me of one of the puzzlers on "Car Talk". Every
shipment of cars a factory turned out was arriving at dealerships with
one car having a dead battery. They couldn't figure out why, after
working with the battery supplier. Eventually they figured out that
the last car on the upper deck of the truck was at enough of an angle
to trigger the trunk light's mercury switch, so the trunk light was on
for the entire trip.
Re #60: If you don't have an ammeter, sometimes touching the cable to
the battery post and watching for a spark works.
Re #62: Great idea, except those "integrated starter/generators" are
going to be an expensive nightmare to replace when they go bad. The
alternator on my Honda is bad enough, but at least you don't have to
drop the transmission to get at it!
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jared
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response 65 of 184:
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Jan 23 06:10 UTC 2002 |
<random mumbling about $280 for a window regulator to insure that
the driver side window would actually go up and down>
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mdw
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response 66 of 184:
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Jan 23 07:48 UTC 2002 |
They've been fooling around with integrated "starter/generators" since
the 1920's. I'll be quite surprised if they ever become practical, the
engineering requirements are just too different. Hydraulic drive for
some of those accessories might make more sense, although it's awfully
hard to beat the efficiency and simplicity of direct mechanical drive.
Actually, the thing I most expect to disappear first is the cam shaft --
it's basically in the way of doing variable valve timing.
Re #53 -- what *else* draws power? Well, if you're *using* the car,
then the ignition circuit in the engine draws power. It's probably not
a whole lot of power, but it's awfully hard to eliminate that. The
ignition circuit, at the very least, has to fire the spark plugs at the
right instant in time. On newer cars, it (or similar logic) also has to
run the fuel injectors, and generally, a small microprocessor and sensor
net to compute when to do everything. There are plenty of other things
that draw car in the modern car. The oil pressure light, fuel sensor,
etc., are all electrically driven in nearly all cars. The speedometer,
odometer, and random other dash board logic is often electrically driven
in today's cars, and some cars have 2 or more microprocessors just to
run all this other incidental stuff.
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gull
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response 67 of 184:
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Jan 23 14:53 UTC 2002 |
Re #66: Some new Fords use hydraulic radiator fans. There was a recall
to replace some defective ones on T-birds. I'm not sure what makes
this a better approach for them than an electric fan.
The "starter/generators" they've been tinkering with lately are based
on AC induction motors, and driven in starter mode by DC/AC converters,
I think. I'm not sure if that design will ever be cheap enough to be
an attractive alternative to the current setup, unless they can use it
to assist the engine like in the Honda Insight or Toyota Prius. Modern
starters and alternators are basically disposable devices and are
pretty cheap to make.
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jep
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response 68 of 184:
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Jan 23 19:11 UTC 2002 |
Ijust had my old pickup truck in the shop. I'd driven it from Tecumseh
to Ann Arbor, and it just quit. I had AAA pay for towing it out to
Tecumseh, and set my mechanic to work on it. Driving it that far had
taken about a quarter tank of gas; I was not using the truck any more
than I had to.
The truck had a laundry list of problems. The one I'd been most aware
of was a radiator leak; I had to put in a gallon of radiator fluid each
time I used it. That meant the heater didn't work very long or very
well. It got 5-6 mph; tsty discovered a missing spark plug wire that
contributed to that. Apparently it stopped running because the
distributor was in poor condition and the ignition coil was shot.
My mechanic gave it a tune-up, new coil, fixed the radiator leak which
was really just a hose, and changed the oil. It cost a little over
$300.
Boy does it ever run differently now! I drove it around last night,
and it was running so well I drove it to work today. I want to find
out what kind of gas mileage I'm getting. I'm sure it's at least
doubled; on the 35 mile drive in to work, the fuel gauge hadn't even
budged from the "F". It runs smoothly, the radiator doesn't leak, the
heater works...
My 5 year old son loves the truck. It's been in an accident, then sat
in a barnyard for 2 years; it definitely has "character". A year or so
ago, we fixed it up enough so it'd run. It seemed destined to a
lifetime of 5 mile trips at max, but now I'm thinking he and I can use
it in the summer for camping trips and such. I'm not going to
regularly drive it to work; it still has problems like shaking when
driven at 65 mph or faster. But there's nothing wrong with it for a
spare vehicle if the other is in the shop, or for a recreational
weekend vehicle if the roads aren't bad.
I'm pretty happy with how it came out.
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mdw
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response 69 of 184:
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Jan 23 23:39 UTC 2002 |
I've no idea why hydraulics would be better than an electric motor for
the fan either. Some direct drive fans use a hydraulic linkage
("hydrostatic", I think) which limits the speed of the fan -- the idea
is you really need the fan most when idling, and don't need it when on
the highway. An electric motor can do the same thing more easily.
Hydraulic drive might make the most sense for the alternator and air
conditioner compressor - that might give them enough more freedom about
where they locate these to make up for the power loss. Hydraulic drive
might also be useful for replacing the cam shaft, if it can be made to
push valves open and close fast enough.
John, you might want to look at new tires for your old pickup. Chances
are that the tires are shaking because either (a) they're not balanced,
or (b) it's been sitting too long and the rubber has flat spots in it.
If it's just (a), you might be able to get a tire place to balance the
tires, which might well fix the problem. If it's (b), well, if it's got
flat spots in it, chances are the rubber is pretty old anyways. If
you've still got tread left and drive conservatively, this may not be a
big deal. What sort of accident and what other "character" does this
truck have?
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jep
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response 70 of 184:
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Jan 24 00:41 UTC 2002 |
My truck ran into a vehicle which was waiting to turn; the driver just
didn't see him. The impact was about 35 mph. The front end is badly
bent; the headlights that are on there are now fog lights which are
mounted on the frame; the hood doesn't close properly and has to be
held with a rope and a bungee cord; the clock on the radio doesn't
work; I think the frame might be bent which would explain the shaking
problem. It's fine up to about 60 mph though.
The tires were replaced a year ago so they're still good, but they
might well need balancing. The truck wasn't used much for the last
year; just occasionally hauling stuff 5-10 miles, and I drove it to
work a few times when necessary. We might have put 1000 miles on it in
a year, or maybe not that many.
The truck is a 1989 F-250 XLT Lariat if anyone is interested.
I know very little about cars, so if anything else comes to mind for
it, I'll be happy to have any suggestions.
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mdw
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response 71 of 184:
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Jan 24 01:43 UTC 2002 |
Hm, sounds like there are lots of reasons it might shake, certainly
including a bent frame, twisted axle, or aerodynamic instability. One
thing you might check is this: find a deserted flat road out in the
middle of nowhere. Drop a passenger off, go out a ways, then drive back
towards the passenger. Have the passenger look at the truck and see if
all 4 wheels are lined up, or if the truck is "crabbing", with the front
& back wheels not lined up. If it is "crabbing", then the frame is
likely bent, and you might see accellearted tire wear. You might want
to check into having the frame unbent -- that's not necessarily all that
expensive. For a bent axle, etc., that's probably harder to check, a
mechanic might be your best bet... A front end alignment might help,
but may not be that cheap.
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