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Grex > Systems > #98: The Mac OS X 10.5 - aka Leopard - Item | |
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rcurl
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response 44 of 68:
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Sep 9 05:41 UTC 2009 |
There is a Mac OS X item in micros cf (I mention this because I ask questions
there but noone ever answers them, and I'd like others to hang out there too.)
I've stayed with OS 10.4.11 having heard those bad things about 10.5. But I'd
be a little worried about going to 10.6 because of the possibility of other
apps I have not working in it.
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remmers
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response 45 of 68:
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Sep 9 11:30 UTC 2009 |
I'll check out the Micros item.
OS X 10.5 was a bit flaky when it first come out, but that was
a couple of years ago. There have been several updates, and the
current version is quite solid. With 10.5, Spotlight works pretty
well, and you also get Time Machine, Apple's great incremental backup
system. I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade to 10.5 at this point.
However, if you have 3rd party software that's important to you,
it's probably wise to check first that it runs under 10.5.
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nharmon
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response 46 of 68:
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Sep 9 12:25 UTC 2009 |
Your OS decreased in size and saved you 7GB? Woah.
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remmers
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response 47 of 68:
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Sep 9 14:32 UTC 2009 |
Yep, 10.6 uses significantly less disk space than 10.5. That's the
opposite of the way things usually go with an OS upgrade.
Part of the savings is due to dropping Power PC support.
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keesan
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response 48 of 68:
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Sep 9 15:38 UTC 2009 |
How big is 10.6?
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cross
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response 49 of 68:
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Sep 10 13:19 UTC 2009 |
(Way more than will fit onto a 3.5" floppy disk.)
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remmers
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response 50 of 68:
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Sep 10 14:14 UTC 2009 |
It comes on a DVD with a capacity of 6.74 GB, of which 6.65 GB is
actually used. It's hard to tell how that translates to actual
hard disk storage once it's installed, though. Apple's official
"Technical Requirements" page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html)
specifies 1GB minimum memory and 5GB minimum disk space.
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other
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response 51 of 68:
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Sep 12 18:31 UTC 2009 |
I'm still running 10.5 on a machine that came with it. I've been
holding off on 10.6 until some of the inevitable bugs fixes come out.
10.6.1 is out now, but I'm still not particularly motivated to implement
the change.
I think that when I do go to 10.6, I'll first wipe my Time Machine drive
and do a Carbon Copy Clone, and then start fresh with Time Machine after
the upgrade. Aside from the speed, I should save a bunch of disk space
on backups.
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remmers
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response 52 of 68:
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Sep 12 23:45 UTC 2009 |
I did a Carbon Copy Clone of my 10.5 before upgrading, but didn't
wipe Time Machine.
Always anxious to be on the cutting edge, I've upgraded to 10.6.1.
No differences that I can notice.
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keesan
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response 53 of 68:
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Sep 13 02:22 UTC 2009 |
What is Time Machine?
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remmers
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response 54 of 68:
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Sep 13 11:40 UTC 2009 |
Time Machine is an incremental backup system for OS X. Google
os+x+time+machine for detailed info.
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keesan
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response 55 of 68:
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Sep 13 12:38 UTC 2009 |
What do you back up other than personal data?
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remmers
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response 56 of 68:
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Sep 15 12:44 UTC 2009 |
Time Machine backs up the entire system.
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remmers
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response 57 of 68:
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Oct 4 13:43 UTC 2010 |
By the way, Snow Leopard is up to 10.6.4 now and extremely stable.
I've been reading David Pogue's excellent book "Mac OS X Snow
Leopard: The Missing Manual". In spite of the fact that I've been
an OS X user for over six years, I've learned quite a bit from
it.
Keyboard shortcuts in particular. For instance, you get useful
extra info about your wifi connection if you hold down the 'option'
key when clicking on the Airport icon in the menu bar. Or notice
what happens when you press 'option' when the Apple dropdown menu
is visible. Clicking on a application in the dock while holding
down 'option' or 'command' or 'option+command' also has useful
effects. And there are key combinations for logging off, sleeping,
restarting, or shutting down without confirmation, if you're in
a hurry.
Okay, so I'm a keyboard trivialist. But I find that keyboard
shortcuts, once they become familiar, can really speed up my work.
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keesan
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response 58 of 68:
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Oct 4 15:25 UTC 2010 |
Ctrl-Alt-Del does not seem to work on a Mac. OS 10.4 Ctrl-F2 down arrow to
shutoff. Is there some keyboard way to bring up a pseudoterminal?
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remmers
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response 59 of 68:
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Oct 7 13:03 UTC 2010 |
No default way that I'm aware of. If the OS version has Spotlight,
you can probably hit command-space to invoke it, then type "terminal"
followed by return to start the Terminal application.
Once the Terminal application is open, you can select it via
command-tab, then type command-N to open a new terminal window.
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keesan
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response 60 of 68:
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Oct 7 16:21 UTC 2010 |
What is Spotlight and how would I know if OS 10.4 has it? Can I start
a browser the same way?
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rcurl
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response 61 of 68:
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Oct 7 20:34 UTC 2010 |
OS 4 has spotlight - a search app. But you can put Terminal and browsers in
the dock, and open them that way.
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keesan
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response 62 of 68:
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Oct 7 23:56 UTC 2010 |
How do you access the 'dock' with the keyboard? I finally figured out that
Ctrl-F2 gets you the menu and you can arrow down a few times to Shut Down.
How do I access Spotlight with keyboard in the first place?
Today I had a fight with OS 9. Can't find any telnet program so I download
Nifty Telnet. In order to put on OS 10.3 we would have to disassemble the
Bondi Blue G3 233MHz and find two 64MB PC66 SODIMMs. Anyone have extras?
I don't want to use up our last two on a giveaway computer. 9.22 works with
iCab 3 or IE 5 and they give up on a lot of javascript. 10.3 will work with
Seamonkey 1.1, Firefox 2, iCab 4.8, Opera 9. 10.3 needs 128MB.
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rcurl
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response 63 of 68:
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Oct 8 03:47 UTC 2010 |
There is the Nifty Telnet-SSH client for OS-9.
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keesan
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response 64 of 68:
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Oct 8 12:28 UTC 2010 |
That is what I downloaded (see #62). There is also a free virtual keyboard
for OS 9 (not OS 10, which comes with one that is not as good), and I put it
on a computer given to us with no keyboard, that went to kids for online
games.
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remmers
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response 65 of 68:
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Oct 8 12:47 UTC 2010 |
Re resp:62 - "How do you access the 'dock' with the keyboard?"
Try Ctrl-F3. "How do I access Spotlight with keyboard...?" Cmd-Space.
(The David Pogue book I mentioned above has answers to these
questions and more, although it's specific to Snow Leopard, so
there are a number of things in it that won't work on 10.4.
An earlier edition specific to 10.4 probably exists.)
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mary
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response 66 of 68:
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Oct 8 12:55 UTC 2010 |
As of right now the AADL has two copies of Pogue's _Mac OS X, Tiger
Edition: The Missing Manual_ available at the downtown branch. Here is a
link:
http://www.aadl.org/catalog/record/1243414
I've found Pogue's books to be a great help.
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keesan
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response 67 of 68:
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Oct 8 15:04 UTC 2010 |
I presume I can set up my own keyboard shortcuts somehow, such as Ctrl-F4 to
access a terminal window where I can type in the name of a program.
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remmers
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response 68 of 68:
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Oct 14 10:23 UTC 2010 |
Apple is hosting a media event on Wednesday, October 20. Rumor has
it that it's to announce the next version of OS X (10.7) and that it
will be named "Lion".
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/10/13/apple-media-event-on-october-20/
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