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nharmon
response 42 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 15 03:54 UTC 2006

Well, the implication seemed to be that "American style shooting" was to
lob as many bullets in some direction with the hope that one would find
its mark. However a look at the military weapons and tactics of the day
(as seen in use during the Spanish-American war which supposedly occured
the year before the movie takes place) contradicts that. Not that it
really matters anyway. A movie can't expect to go anywhere without
criticising something American, even if it is false.

As for things not being realistic, come on. Its a movie. A movie based
on a comic book no less. Or are we also going on about how you can't get
bitten by a spider and then leap from building to building?
aruba
response 43 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 15 17:35 UTC 2006

I saw "Good Night and Good Luck" last night.  I thought it was good, but it
didn't blow me away.  It gave me the feeling of being a small part of a
larger story.  And it was very, very smoky.  The idea of a newscaster
lighting up a cigarette just before the camera start to roll, and holding it
up by his ear, seems bizarre to me.
scott
response 44 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 15 18:29 UTC 2006

Re 42:  Well, I can buy into a small number of "it's necessary for the movie"
types of thinsg, like getting super-powers.  But what was interesting about
LoEG was that just about everything was a silly excuse to set up a car chase
or whatever.
krj
response 45 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 15 21:19 UTC 2006

DUMA -- A story about a South African boy and his cheetah.  Cheetah cubs
are cute and cuddly, but they grow up into an animal that becomes a bit 
of an issue to keep as a pet.   The movie is about the journey to 
return Duma, the cheetah, to his home territory.
 
We liked it a lot, but I will concede that the British reviewers 
who found it excessively sentimental have a point.  
Spectacular visuals, a few plot holes.   
Overall we were very happy to see it.   This makes three good  
movies about wild animals in 2005, following MARCH OF THE PENGUINS
and GRIZZLY MAN.
 
According to Roger Ebert, the distributor has been trying to figure
out how to market this movie for many months.   It's playing at the
Michigan Theater in Ann Arbor at the moment, and Ebert says it has 
also just opened in Chicago.    I wouldn't expect it to have a long 
multiplex run; catch it when the opportunity presents, or wait for a 
DVD.  It should be an excellent film for families.   
richard
response 46 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 15 22:10 UTC 2006

[b]The idea of a newscaster
lighting up a cigarette just before the camera start to roll, and 
holding it up by his ear, seems bizarre to me. [/b]

Thats just the way it was back then, Murrow really did smoke through 
all his broadcasts.  George Clooney's father worked in the newsroom 
with Murrow, and he had a lot of other firsthand memories to work by, 
and he portrayed Murrow very accurately according to most reviews
aruba
response 47 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 00:57 UTC 2006

George Clooney's father was a local newscaster in Cincinnati, and did
influence George's feeling for the news.  But he didn't work with Murrow, as
far as I've been able to determine.
remmers
response 48 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 14:14 UTC 2006

Hey, I'm old enough to remember Murrow's broadcasts from the 50s
firsthand.  He really did the cigarette thing.

On the whole, I thought the rendering in "Good Night and Good Luck" was
amazingly accurate.
naftee
response 49 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 21:10 UTC 2006

i'm not old enough for that :(
remmers
response 50 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 13:00 UTC 2006

And by the way, Murrow's smoking habit finally did him in.  Lung cancer,
1965.
scholar
response 51 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 13:55 UTC 2006

How do you know the lung cancer was from smoking?
rcurl
response 52 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 17:08 UTC 2006

There is a high statistical correlation. That doesn't constitute *knowing*,
but is a data point for the correlation. 
tod
response 53 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 17:15 UTC 2006

In less scientific terms: a scientific wild assed guess (SWAG).
mcnally
response 54 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 17:21 UTC 2006

 re #51:  When it comes right down to it, nobody on Grex really even
 KNOWS that Murrow is dead, if total certainty is what you require..
 But one can take skepticism to unhealthy extremes.
rcurl
response 55 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 17:25 UTC 2006

Re #53: ...or an informed hypothesis. 
tod
response 56 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 17:34 UTC 2006

re #55
Based on what theory?
rcurl
response 57 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 18:08 UTC 2006

On the vast accumulation of data supporting the hypothesis of a the 
relation between smoking and lung cancer.
tod
response 58 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 18:19 UTC 2006

Isn't it possible Murrow got lung cancer from pollution at "on-site" reporting
gigs?
jadecat
response 59 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 19:24 UTC 2006

Like my grandfather- was a cigar smoker and died of black lung...




(oh, did I mention he worked in a coal mine too? Now what was is that
caused the black lung?)
tod
response 60 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 21:04 UTC 2006

His fireplace at home?
jadecat
response 61 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 21:24 UTC 2006

Could be!
slynne
response 62 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 22:04 UTC 2006

My grandfather worked in a coal mine too and he smoked but he died of 
prostate cancer when he was 88 
scholar
response 63 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 22:52 UTC 2006

Re. 52:  There's a 'high statistical correlation' that shows LUNG CANCER CAN
BE OBTAINED FROM THINGS OTHER THAN SMOKING.

Prof. Remmers's statement doesn't pass the most basic standard of TRUTH you
could find.

You can't even say THERE"S A HIGH PROBABILITY, THOUGH.  Because when people
say something's true, they mean something other than there being a high
probability.
rcurl
response 64 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 02:11 UTC 2006

That's what I said: "That doesn't constitute *knowing*, but is a data 
point for the correlation.". Certainly there are other causes of lung 
cancer.

What do we know here? He was a heavy smoker, and he died of lung cancer. 
Any doctor would say that he was running a strong risk of lung cancer by 
smoking. That does not mean that the smoking caused his lung cancer. If, 
however, he had by chance been included in a well designed study of the 
correlation between smoking and lung cancer, guess in which cell in a 2x2 
Contingency test his case would fall?
kingjon
response 65 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 02:28 UTC 2006

set drift = off

For my Interim class ("Developing a Christian Mind") I had to watch "The
Mission." It depicts the Jesuit missions among the Guarani people of South
America, especially the mission of San Carlos. The major theme seems to be
redemption, with the personal redemption of Mendoza, a slave trader (who later
becomes a monk), in the first part and the systemic redemption of the native
peoples and of the land in the second part. In the end, as part of a deal
between the Church, Spain, and Portugal, the Church removes its support and
protection from the missions as they are transferred into Portuguese control;
San Carlos, whose inhabitants refused to leave, is massacred by heavily-armed
troops as they are singing Mass (or one of the Offices; I couldn't tell). One
of those depressing films that still made me want to see it again and again.

rcurl
response 66 of 342: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 02:37 UTC 2006

Missionaries have been responsible for the destruction of many indigenous 
cultures. Missionaries are abominations. Anthropologists today attempt to 
integrate such indigenous cultures into facilitated contact with the world 
without displacing the essential of their cultures. This often requires 
finding ways by which they can obtain better economic ustenance from their 
native lands. There are a number of organizations that are assisting such 
indigenous cultures, e.g. 
http://www.ran.org/info_center/factsheets/s07.html
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