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willcome
response 4 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 12:31 UTC 2004

Yeah, it's basically DoSing the system.  Someone should block the IP address
being used to attack Grex.
bhoward
response 5 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 12:39 UTC 2004

For once, David, please give it a rest.
jep
response 6 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 13:08 UTC 2004

I am very sad.
scott
response 7 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 13:36 UTC 2004

This sucks.
gull
response 8 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 14:22 UTC 2004

I'm sorry to see valerie leave the system.  I can understand people
getting burned out on being staff, and it sounds like she was feeling
that way long before the recent incident, but I hate to see it progress
to the point where they feel they need to leave the system entirely.
cmcgee
response 9 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 15:10 UTC 2004

One huge kill for the barbarians.
aruba
response 10 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 15:29 UTC 2004

I'm sad too.
gull
response 11 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 16:01 UTC 2004

Re resp:9: I don't think it's all their fault.  Valerie said earlier
that part of the reason she decided to risk killing her own item is that
she no longer cared that much about keeping her staff position.  I think
she was just plain burned out on it.
jp2
response 12 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 16:03 UTC 2004

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cross
response 13 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 16:32 UTC 2004

It does suck that Valerie has decided to leave grex entirely.
naftee
response 14 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 16:38 UTC 2004

So sad.
krj
response 15 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 17:17 UTC 2004

Metaphor: it's like going to the Habitat for Humanity house that you 
were helping to build and pulling out the nails you pounded in.
albaugh
response 16 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 17:27 UTC 2004

I am sad that valerie felt that she had to / wanted to leave grex, in
apparently every manner.  I know that I have gotten help from her in the past,
as I am sure that others have, and that resource will be missed by all.
And I have to think that deep down, somewhere, valerie is very upset that she
has had to give up grex.

That being said, even though it is her right to scribble everything that she
ever entered, and it is her right not to care what bad effect that will have
on grex, I find that blanket scribble to have been a somewhat childish act.
Especially in fundamentally technical conferences such as info and web.
I think she could have departed with a bit more grace.  However, it was her
right to leave in any manner she wished.
cross
response 17 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 18:12 UTC 2004

And the garage conference, that was a real loss.
mta
response 18 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 19:06 UTC 2004

Re resp:11:  I think the reason she was burned out is pretty 
self-evident.  

Still, it is sad.  The end of an era.
richard
response 19 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 19:29 UTC 2004

I think valerie may be overreacting to that parody item on mnet.  that item
parodied her baby diary.  now maybe she thinks that every thing she ever
posted is ripe for parody so she has to remove them all.  If so, it seems like
a huge overreaction.  

Valerie is one of Grex's founders, and I'm sure Grex would be a different,
lesser, place today had it not had her participation as board and staff
member in its early years. I mean who's been a bigger fan and supporter of
Grex over the years than she has?

Which makes her leaving so publicly, so completely all the more sad and
mystifying.  When you leave that publicly, its like slapping this place in
the face. Like maybe she's hoping other people will follow her example and
abandon the Grex.  She could have left quietly, not even told anyone, but
she didn't.  She left publicly.  She wanted people to know she was
leaving. That implies she's angry and has an agenda. Does she not like
what Grex has become?  Does she wish it was still just a local dialup bbs
for the Ann Arbor community?  

Or is Valerie now saying that she thinks Grex has failed in its purpose,
that Grex can no longer be what she wanted it to be?
aruba
response 20 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 19:42 UTC 2004

I doubt Grex would exist at all if it weren't for Valerie.  I know I
wouldn't be here.
gull
response 21 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 20:06 UTC 2004

Re resp:19: I don't know.  Personally, if Grex continues on the current 
path towards allowing users to remove other users' writings that they 
disagree with, I will have considered it a failure.
cross
response 22 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 20:23 UTC 2004

As will I.
jp2
response 23 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 21:01 UTC 2004

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davel
response 24 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 22:13 UTC 2004

What cmcgee said.  <SIGH>
willcome
response 25 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 22:28 UTC 2004

Re. 5:  Valerie's script IS DoSing the system, which has had absurdly high
load averages all day, in addition to being slow.  I don't understand why you
think Valerie should be allowed to attack the resources of a not-for-profit
corporation.
naftee
response 26 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 23:02 UTC 2004

M-net is older and more mature than GreX, which is clearly populated by
children.
willcome
response 27 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 00:43 UTC 2004

(and gay fags.)
jaklumen
response 28 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 02:49 UTC 2004

When you canuckleheads stop jacking off, let me know.

resp:16 I'm seeing the scribbling in the kitchen/cooking conferences.  
I would imagine the mass scribbling is making some past discussions 
look stilted and funny-- and anyone looking back (if they do) will 
never know what she said in those parts.  But I suppose she wished to 
make a complete departure, leaving nothing behind-- with as little 
trace as possible.
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