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Grex > Coop > #232: Taking root access from non participatants | |
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keesan
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response 4 of 126:
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Jun 28 14:38 UTC 2008 |
I am suggesting finding a way to let new users have accounts but restrict them
to web interface only, so that they cannot vandalize grex (at least not as
easily - it would presumably take longer to litter all the items in agora).
Also perhaps there could be some restriction on the length of a posting by
future users until they have proved themselves sane.
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gelinas
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response 5 of 126:
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Jun 28 15:05 UTC 2008 |
This kind of policy has already been discussed and approved, and is merely
(!) awaiting implementation.
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keesan
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response 6 of 126:
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Jun 28 22:24 UTC 2008 |
Is anyone actually working on the details?
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lar
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response 7 of 126:
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Jun 29 11:28 UTC 2008 |
I don't think preventing shell access is the answer but rather a
strict validation protocol. And lets remember that all this abuse came
from one user.
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mary
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response 8 of 126:
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Jun 29 12:47 UTC 2008 |
Any solution that requires someone else to do the work is not going to
go anywhere. We don't have worker bees anymore. What we have are users
in denial.
We need to migrate Grex somewhere where software and hardware issues are
offered, for a reasonable fee. This community does a reasonable job of
raising money so I think paying for this service won't be a problem, at
least not in the short run. A few (non-techie) folks could
administrate. But I don't see this as happening because we're a
democracy and folks would rather see Grex go down than see their pet
feature eliminated.
We've had a nice run. I don't consider Grex a failure but maybe we've
taken this model as far as it can go.
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gelinas
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response 9 of 126:
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Jun 29 17:10 UTC 2008 |
(Thus my comment on disposing of everything at once.)
I *think* Dan did some work on the validation code. I've not had time to
follow the development, so I don't really know where it stands.
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slynne
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response 10 of 126:
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Jun 29 17:31 UTC 2008 |
I agree with resp:8
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nharmon
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response 11 of 126:
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Jun 29 23:42 UTC 2008 |
I disagree with #8. Those who have given up on Grex should try and keep out of
the way if/when there is a revolution in staff.
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slynne
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response 12 of 126:
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Jun 30 00:21 UTC 2008 |
I'll do that
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lar
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response 13 of 126:
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Jun 30 03:47 UTC 2008 |
gid rid of steve as a root and maybe we can persuade mcnally and cross
to accept a staff position. Maybe spooked would come back as well. In
fact if we get rid of chuck martin we could cut a deal with cdalten.
He doesn't hate grex so much as he hates unicorn. He wouldn't be a big
loss since he's not ever here anyway.
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jep
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response 14 of 126:
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Jun 30 14:17 UTC 2008 |
I'd ask for my account to be removed if cdalten becomes a member of
Grex's staff.
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tod
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response 15 of 126:
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Jun 30 19:16 UTC 2008 |
Stranger things have happened.
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lar
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response 16 of 126:
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Jul 1 11:05 UTC 2008 |
re#14
Why is that? You're a BOD member of a group of reformed trolls aka:
m-net.
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jep
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response 17 of 126:
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Jul 1 15:08 UTC 2008 |
Cdalten has shown his level of respect for the users of Grex, and his
level of maturity. I wouldn't care to be part of a system with someone
like that in charge.
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tod
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response 18 of 126:
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Jul 1 20:37 UTC 2008 |
Is there a rule someone has to respect Grex to be part of Arbornet?
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lar
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response 19 of 126:
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Jul 2 10:55 UTC 2008 |
Who said anything about putting him in charge? Where did you get that
from?
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jep
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response 20 of 126:
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Jul 2 13:15 UTC 2008 |
re resp:18: As usual, I have no idea what, if anything, you meant to
say. Did you enter your response in the right item?
re resp:19: It looked to me like resp:13 was regarding staff members,
and cdalten was mentioned in that response.
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lar
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response 21 of 126:
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Jul 2 14:10 UTC 2008 |
I was just suggesting that we cut a deal with cdalten since most of his
bitterness is directed at something chuck martin did to him. I was
suggesting we eliminate unicorn from staff( considering how he doesn't
log in anyway) not make chad a staff member.
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marcvh
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response 22 of 126:
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Jul 2 15:43 UTC 2008 |
Are you in favor of appeasement in general, or just in this case?
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slynne
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response 23 of 126:
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Jul 2 16:00 UTC 2008 |
I dont think it would hurt to engage cdalten in a discussion but I dont
particularly think it is a good idea to make staffing decisions based on
the most troublesome users
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jep
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response 24 of 126:
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Jul 2 16:53 UTC 2008 |
I have discussed cdalten's behavior toward Grex with cdalten on M-Net.
I've mainly let him know my perspective, that unicorn has been a
contributor to Grex whereas cdalten has not contributed anything
positive to anyone. I'd be willing to see cdalten arrested for his
actions, and have told him so. I'd personally be willing to do whatever
I could to see that happen.
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unicorn
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response 25 of 126:
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Jul 2 22:16 UTC 2008 |
Re 21: Where do you get the idea that I don't log in? Just because I'm
not currently particularly active on the bbs doesn't mean I don't log in.
I don't have the time at the moment to read and respond to much because
I have other priorities when I'm online for the time being, but I log in
just about every day. If there were serious and persistent problems, I
would most likely find out about them unless someone else fixed them
rather quickly between my logins. And if you think Chad would ever help
grex in any way, you are sadly mistaken.
By the way, Chad only uses me as a scpaegoat when he wants to cause
trouble. When he gets tired of it, he claims that I decided to "give
it a rest", but when he discovers a new way of attacking, he claims
that I am once again doing something that he refuses to elaborate on
and not giving it a rest, even though I haven't changed what I'm doing
at all, just so he can have an excuse to try out his new attack. I am
in no way the problem. Chad is.
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mcnally
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response 26 of 126:
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Jul 2 23:51 UTC 2008 |
One of the things that some organizations can only learn the hard way
is that temperament and soundness of judgment are much more important
qualities in a system administrator than energy or technical brilliance.
Of the four qualities I've mentioned, however, the only one I'm willing
to concede to cdalten is energy. I agree with what I take to be the
general consensus -- that it would be a very poor idea to involve him in
the management of Grex.
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sholmes
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response 27 of 126:
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Jul 3 03:09 UTC 2008 |
And if in future we have another troll having issues with another staff
, do we keep on removing staff like that?
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lar
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response 28 of 126:
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Jul 3 05:54 UTC 2008 |
re#26
maybe one day you will consider coming back on staff.
re#27
Only if they act without any hint of accountability whatsoever
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