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tod
response 4 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:16 UTC 2005

You think for a second that the NSA would run such an operation?
There are several under DHS that I would think of first.
aruba
response 5 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:17 UTC 2005

Have you *read* 1984, Richard?  Of course I think the monitoring described
in the article is very very scary.  But the woman quoted damages her
credibility when she says it's worse than what's described in 1984.
richard
response 6 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:18 UTC 2005

The whole Bush ignoring the Secret Courts deal tells you loud and 
clear that the NSA runs such an operation.  The Court was objecting to 
such an operation being run, and Bush chose to ignore the Court.
richard
response 7 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:21 UTC 2005

aruba said:

"But the woman quoted damages her
credibility when she says it's worse than what's described in 1984."

In fact what she said was that what was going on is far beyond 
anything Orwell imagined.  She didn't say "worse", she simply 
said "beyond"  And since that book was written many decades ago, 
Orwell could not know how extensive the scientific technology we have 
at our disposal for such surveillance now is.  Her statement is 
accurate, and yes I have read the book.
aruba
response 8 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:27 UTC 2005

Come on Richard, that's bullshit and you know it.  She meant to imply
"worse" when she said "way beyond".

Where did this article come from?  Has there been confirmation of this info
in the mainstream press?
tod
response 9 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:27 UTC 2005

re #6
Just because someone doesn't give an opinion on something doesn't mean they
are actually doing what is in question.
richard
response 10 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:29 UTC 2005

aruba said:

"Come on Richard, that's bullshit and you know it.  She meant to imply
"worse" when she said "way beyond"."

I don't think that is an assumption you can make.  "Beyond" could also 
be taken for BETTER, if you support such surveillance.  

klg
response 11 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:44 UTC 2005

(I think Richard's gonna blow a gasket.)
richard
response 12 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:50 UTC 2005

Its from Capital Hill Blue, which is a weekly newspaper put out on 
Capital Hill, call it the left leaning version of Roll Call Newspaper.  
Perfectly respectable.  
noidmh
response 13 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:52 UTC 2005

Welcome to America, the land of Freedom
Now people will realize that freedom is something you fight everyday for.
gull
response 14 of 15: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 20:23 UTC 2005

Re resp:3: "1984" was as much about controlling thought crimes as it 
was about snooping.  To get the terrible authoritarian dystopia in that 
book, you need both.  The snooping also hasn't reached nearly the level 
in that book, where there were cameras in people's houses being 
monitored by the government. 
 
 
Personally, I was disappointed when the TIA dropped their old logo, 
with the "all-seeing eye" looking down at the Earth.  It was just so 
dead on. ;) 
 
wilt
response 15 of 15: Mark Unseen   May 16 23:51 UTC 2006

HACKED BY GNAA LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL
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