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beeswing
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response 39 of 74:
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Feb 18 05:47 UTC 1996 |
Whooosh? Sounds like a toilet flush if you ask me.
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aaron
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response 40 of 74:
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Feb 18 21:44 UTC 1996 |
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aaron
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response 41 of 74:
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Feb 18 21:48 UTC 1996 |
I didn't say "There's something wrong with Faludi" or "I don't like Faludi."
However, when a "psychology student" cites Faludi, I am forced to question
the depth of her studies. Faludi is fine to cite in a lay discussion, but
is hardly an authoritative source in psychological circles. Books such as
"Backlash" or "The Courage To Heal" may well be mentioned in professional
journals, but it is the works of Loftus, Gilligan and other professionals
upon which the articles are built. No professional is going to maintain
credibility by using lay publications as the foundation of, or primary
defense of, ostensibly professional postulations.
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beeswing
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response 42 of 74:
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Feb 18 23:46 UTC 1996 |
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aruba
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response 43 of 74:
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Feb 19 14:32 UTC 1996 |
I think Mary's "Whoosh" in #38 was about #36 going over everyone's head.
I certainly sat up and paid attention when I read it. I agree about
consorting with assholes; if they got less attention the world would be a
better place and ultimately there would be less of them.
The problem, of course, is that many of our choices are based on emotion and
not on logic. That's the way humans often work, and any solutions will
have to take that into account.
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mta
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response 44 of 74:
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Feb 19 20:53 UTC 1996 |
It isn't up to Aaron to "decide what's professional" ... nor is it up to me
and you. That decision is made by professionals on the strength of the
writer's sources, reputation, and professional standing. Whether it's fau=ir
or not, someone with several advanced degrees in psychology has more
professional standing in an argument about psychology than does a professional
journalist who has spent a year or two researching a psychological issue.
But the journalist has all the professional standing in a discussion about
journalistic concerns.
That's how it is.
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aruba
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response 45 of 74:
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Feb 20 03:42 UTC 1996 |
Whoops, I meant #35, not #36, in #43.
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chelsea
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response 46 of 74:
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Feb 20 10:35 UTC 1996 |
Think back on some of the bigger mistakes you've made in your
life. Where they the result of emotions run amok or more from
inexperience or poor judgement?
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aruba
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response 47 of 74:
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Feb 20 14:47 UTC 1996 |
The bigger mistakes I've made involved being very conflicted over what I
wanted. THat is, wanting several things that were incompatible. My emotions
don't run amok, no, but they do ultimately rule my decisions. That's the
meaning of my being an 'F' rather than a 'T' (in Myers-Briggs terminology).
Don't misunderstand me, Mary, I agree with you that everyone should take
responsibility for their actions and inactions. I was adressing the problem
of how to get people to make better decisions, and my point is that you can't
discount the influence of emotions.
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md
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response 48 of 74:
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Feb 20 15:53 UTC 1996 |
Re #44, I agree that's what aaron meant. I was going to add that
Faludi is what they call a secondary source. If you're looking
for Susan Faludi's opinions about the data, by all means read
Faludi. But if you're looking for the data, you're better off
looking up the primary sources (Faludi's bibliography, if she
includes one, is a good place to start) and then go read them for
yourself.
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beeswing
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response 49 of 74:
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Feb 21 20:49 UTC 1996 |
Faludi does have a bibliography and does cite all of her sources, many of whom
were professionals. I'm not sure but I think her list of sources runs about
7 pages.
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mta
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response 50 of 74:
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Feb 22 18:53 UTC 1996 |
My worst decisions were basedon allowing my emotions to rule when I didn't
have the experience and good judgement to know what the likely outcome would
be of those decisions.
I still allow my emotions to make my decisions for me ... I've always done
better with gut instinct than with trying to think things out. But since my
gut insticts are now informed with a certain amount of experience and the
judgement that brings ... my decisions have gotten better.
Make sense? *sigh* I didn't think so.
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beeswing
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response 51 of 74:
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Feb 22 23:02 UTC 1996 |
That totally makes sense! I am gearing up for the illustrious post-college
job search (I graduate in May). I can't decide if I want to move away or no.
I have lived in one place all my life, though I have traveled a lot. Part of
me wants a change of scenery, new people, etc. The other part is afraid of
homesickness, living alone, not making friends or disliking my job. And I am
seeing how small the jobs are and am plain terrifies I wont' find one at all,
at least not one that will let me live on my own without having to eat Beanie
Weenies every night for years. The decision to move is an emotion-based one
so far... if I feel restless I want to move. If I'm feeling comfy I don't want
to. And I have found emotions can be very false. Sigh.
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iggy
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response 52 of 74:
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Feb 24 13:38 UTC 1996 |
store-brand macaroni and cheese is also pretty cheap, as is
ramen noodles....
er... as ARE ramen noodles
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beeswing
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response 53 of 74:
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Feb 24 16:24 UTC 1996 |
Mmmm, ramen noodles.
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gracel
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response 54 of 74:
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Mar 16 05:02 UTC 1996 |
As I entered adolescence it began to matter to me that I had never
jparticularly known "who I was", but the rest of the picture doesn't
fit the females of my family. It's an impressionable time, but those
things weren't impressed onus at home & I didn't find them attractive
elsewhere. I would have liked to be thinner (like my big sister, who
was smaller all around) but it didn't matter enough to starve myself.
Maybe if we had been watching TV and movies and reading "adolescent"
magazines, we would have become more typical.
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beeswing
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response 55 of 74:
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Mar 22 05:42 UTC 1996 |
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abchan
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response 56 of 74:
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Mar 22 22:41 UTC 1996 |
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beeswing
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response 57 of 74:
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Mar 23 05:27 UTC 1996 |
True, abchan. I swear I knew every calorie/fat content of everything in high
school. I now have better, more imprtant things to think about.
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popcorn
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response 58 of 74:
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Mar 24 05:05 UTC 1996 |
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mcpoz
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response 59 of 74:
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Mar 24 12:09 UTC 1996 |
Wow, that must really be limiting to her. Is she young (1st job?). My gut
feel would be to match each apology with something like "Please don't
apologize so much. . . " or something like that. Even if it gets to be a
burden to repeat.
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popcorn
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response 60 of 74:
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Mar 24 13:19 UTC 1996 |
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beeswing
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response 61 of 74:
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Mar 24 18:42 UTC 1996 |
She sounds totally insecure. I have a friend like that who apologizes all the
time too. It gets old, quick. Even if it's not her fault (whatever it is she
is aplogizing for). When we went of any kind of trips in high school with
groups, someone would always get in trouble/break something in the hotel...
she of course never did these things, but would offer to take the blame.
People take advantage of her selflessness a lot.
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otter
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response 62 of 74:
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May 10 00:59 UTC 1999 |
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beeswing
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response 63 of 74:
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May 10 03:42 UTC 1999 |
Ohhh dear God. I reread some of my postings. My views haven't changed
much, but... what alien entered my body to post such ranting? My bad! :)
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