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Grex > Coop11 > #146: Results of the 1999 Board Election | |
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richard
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response 39 of 90:
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Dec 22 23:09 UTC 1999 |
you could open voting to all "validated" users (those who send in proof
of identification to validate their login) Then all validated users
would be eligible to vote for the at-large board post, while only the
paying members would be allowed to vote for the other six.
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gypsi
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response 40 of 90:
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Dec 22 23:11 UTC 1999 |
Do you have any idea what a pain in the ass that would be? Besides,
they could create fake ids and send in photocopies of their friends'
ids.
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gypsi
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response 41 of 90:
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Dec 22 23:23 UTC 1999 |
Oops...ambiguity... by "fake ids" I meant "fake account names", not
fake drivers licenses or state ids.
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spooked
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response 42 of 90:
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Dec 23 02:19 UTC 1999 |
I support Grex also because I think it's cool and want to see it continued
existence. I certainly gain nothing from the Internet services (I never need
to use them, having faster connections for free where I am). The voting is
neat, though I am one of a very few International Grexers to have met quite
a few local Grexers. I'm just suggesting that some people, not me, are driven
by incentive (and not just warm-heartedness), and we could do well to
*consider* this issue in bringing more non-local memberships in.
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mary
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response 43 of 90:
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Dec 23 02:57 UTC 1999 |
When you start encouraging members to join, for perks, you then
start selecting for voting members who think perks are great and
wonderful things. In time I suspect a majority opinion along those
lines would leave us with a less diverse community which sees Grex
more like a for-pay than a non-profit service.
My opinion - we don't need members who are here for perks.
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spooked
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response 44 of 90:
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Dec 23 03:13 UTC 1999 |
Cool, I hope we never need to, either, but we may have to some day.
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gelinas
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response 45 of 90:
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Dec 23 04:01 UTC 1999 |
"for-pay" and "non-profit" are NOT mutually exclusive. "Non-profit" just
means that the *owners* can't make money off it. Staff can make oodles
of cash, and the corporation can bank lots more. Merit Network, Inc. is
a non-profit that pays its staff reasonably well; the UM is another.
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remmers
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response 46 of 90:
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Dec 23 05:16 UTC 1999 |
I wouldn't want to see Grex become that kind of an organization.
As for perks - I think the best perk that Grex can offer is an
open-access platform dedicated to free speech. That is, what we
offer right now. That's certainly the "perk" that keeps me
interested in it.
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spooked
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response 47 of 90:
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Dec 23 07:32 UTC 1999 |
Legally speaking what separates Grex from other conferencing systems in terms
of providing "freedom of speech"?
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remmers
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response 48 of 90:
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Dec 23 14:47 UTC 1999 |
Legally speaking? Not sure what you mean.
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don
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response 49 of 90:
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Dec 23 22:54 UTC 1999 |
What separates us is that we don't sensor anything, not the cflirt conference,
not the annoying "quit exit help GET ME OUT OF HERE!" items in agora, and
definately not that hilariously odd stuff from Ali Naiman.
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spooked
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response 50 of 90:
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Dec 24 01:21 UTC 1999 |
hehe There are a lot of places out there which don't sensor things, though.
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don
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response 51 of 90:
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Dec 24 01:46 UTC 1999 |
Not places that would have conferences open to minors that are specifically
about sexuality. Not places that would fight so hard to throw out that state
law against everything on grex.
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cmcgee
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response 52 of 90:
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Dec 24 02:11 UTC 1999 |
Well, I for one am glad we don't censor things either. But I thought there
were some sensors in the Pumpkin. ;-)
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spooked
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response 53 of 90:
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Dec 24 02:14 UTC 1999 |
(=
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scg
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response 54 of 90:
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Dec 24 05:22 UTC 1999 |
Limiting voting to paying members makes sense to me. It's an issue of those
of us who are paying to run this place determining how our money should be
spent.
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gelinas
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response 55 of 90:
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Dec 24 05:45 UTC 1999 |
I'm not a member. I voted although I knew that my vote would not determine
the outcome of the election. I had not intended to vote, but then I saw
the comment that non-members' votes were counted for their curiousity value.
So I voted. :)
It makes sense to me that only members' votes affect the election. I don't
see a need to change.
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don
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response 56 of 90:
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Dec 24 15:30 UTC 1999 |
Of those non-member votes: how many of them do you think were due to people
not knowing that their vote wouldn't count and trying to vote "for real"?
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gelinas
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response 57 of 90:
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Dec 24 21:44 UTC 1999 |
I've no opinion. Maybe someone else does?
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dpc
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response 58 of 90:
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Dec 27 01:49 UTC 1999 |
Congrats to the new Board members! And congrats also to the candidates
who got a *substantial* number of votes from people not Grex members.
Maybe mooncat's presence in "party" explains her level of support.
OTOH, maybe there was another political phenomenon inside the "soft
underbelly" of Grex...
And now - the big question: Which Board member is willing
to serve as Treasurer?
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remmers
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response 59 of 90:
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Dec 27 17:20 UTC 1999 |
It's hard to say what the non-member votes mean. Probably a blend
of various things.
As the person who does the vote counting, I can say this: During
the counting process, I see the login id's of the people who voted
(although I don't see *how* they voted). There are always a large
number of non-member voters, and most of their login id's are
completely unfamiliar to me. So I think that a large portion of
the non-member voters don't participate in the conferences (let
alone coop) and are unfamiliar with the candidates and issues,
other than what they might glean from the candidates' statements
that the vote program displays. I suspect that there's a lot of
randomness in the non-member voting.
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keesan
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response 60 of 90:
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Dec 27 17:58 UTC 1999 |
Is there ever anything in the motd to the effect that your vote does not count
towards actually electing members unless you have paid for 3 months?
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orinoco
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response 61 of 90:
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Dec 27 19:19 UTC 1999 |
If nothing else, the vote program tells you that.
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janc
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response 62 of 90:
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Dec 28 05:49 UTC 1999 |
It should also be pointed out that, at least in theory, it is possible
to stuff the non-member voting box. Just take out a bunch of accounts,
and vote them all for your favorite person. I don't believe this has
ever been done, but it's certainly possible.
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spooked
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response 63 of 90:
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Dec 28 09:20 UTC 1999 |
Yes, exactly the point I was making.
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