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gelinas
response 37 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 23:34 UTC 2005

I don't, David.

I use Safari, which doesn't offer the option of not downloading PDFs.  That
is, the files are automatically downloaded and then opened by the appropriate
application.  I have them stored in /Downloads rather than Desktop, though.
rcurl
response 38 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 06:24 UTC 2005

Downloads are another matter - they end up in Home. I  don't know if I can
control that either. It's "linking" to .pdfs that puts them in Desktop. 
I would  prefer to download to the desktop and not save "linked" .pdfs at
all unless I choose to. After a session of hunting around for information on
a topic, scanning .pdfs, my Desktop gets totally jammed with them. 

How do you choose where "linked" .pdfs end up? If I could just put them in
a folder on Desktop, I wouldn't have the jam-up problem. 
gelinas
response 39 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 01:41 UTC 2005

I seem to remember a preference for this in earlier versions of Netscape.
Unfortunately (for you), I don't currently have a copy installed.  (Nor am
I likely to, since Safari meets my needs.)
twenex
response 40 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 01:44 UTC 2005

If you explain what "linked" pdf's are, I might be able to help you, assuming
Mozilla is like Netscape in this regard. (I use Firefox, but the Evolution
mail client depends on Mozilla, at least in Gentoo. yeah, ugh.)
rcurl
response 41 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 18:25 UTC 2005

I mean urls like www-math.mit.edu/~stocker/18354.d/dimensional1.pdf
What do you call them? 
twenex
response 42 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 17:28 UTC 2005

So, you wanna be able to put an icon in /Downloads that points to
www-math.mit.edu/~stocker/18354.d/dimensional1.pdf? Why not just save it to 
that location?
rcurl
response 43 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 19:15 UTC 2005

I don't want to save it at all. I am trying to STOP it from being saved.
I just want to read it and go on. That's how it worked with OS 9.2x (and
Netscape 6.x). 
twenex
response 44 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 21:51 UTC 2005

Oh, OK. I assume you mean pdf's you've "linked" to by putting them in the
Bookmarks menu. I was thinking Unix-style fileystem links, or MacOS aliases
(which afaik are still supported).

Does it happen with other kinds of links, say www.some.com/anypage.html?
rcurl
response 45 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 22:20 UTC 2005

No, I mean "links" I only clicked on that lead to the download of a .pdf. 
I do not save them as bookmarks or anything else. I DONT WANT TO SAVE THEM
except deliberately. No, .html links are not automatically saved - I can
just view those (or save them if I choose). 
twenex
response 46 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 22:22 UTC 2005

Hmm, sounds like you need to download/enable support for a pdf reader plugin.
rcurl
response 47 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 22:30 UTC 2005

I have no trouble reading the .pdf links I click on. I have both Adobe Reader
5.0 and 6.0 (which comes up depends on whether I'm working from OS X or
Classic). The PROBLEM is that the .pdf is saved to the Desktop automatically.
gelinas
response 48 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 00:31 UTC 2005

The file has to be transferred to your machine before Acrobat can open it.
It may be that previous versions of the browser put the file in the 'cache'
directory, or they might have kept it in memory.  I'd track down the cache
first, and look there. 

The advantage of a 'Downloads' directory is that it doesn't clutter the
desktop.  The advantage of the Desktop is that it is easy to find the ones
you want to delete.
rcurl
response 49 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 07:36 UTC 2005

You're right. I took a look, and I have many MB of stuff in a slew of Cache
folders, and checking them found web pages I've looked at. I  guess I can't
fight Cache(s), but now the question is why looking at .pdfs puts them on
the Desktop instead of in a Cache. I had looked at the Reader Preferences,
and they don't give one any choices in this regard (that I could find).
gelinas
response 50 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 18:30 UTC 2005

It's a browser preference.  Look for a 'download directory' option.
rcurl
response 51 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 19:45 UTC 2005

The only download preferences in Netscape are "Open the download manager",
"Open a progress dialog", and "Don't open anything". Intentional downloads,
however, go to Home automatically, while .pdf (link) downloads go to the
Desktop. It seems to be a OS X preference, but I can't find anything relating
to donwload destinations in System Preferences.
gelinas
response 52 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 02:48 UTC 2005

Thanks for the hint, Rane: System Preferences, Internet, Web.

 :)
rcurl
response 53 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 06:11 UTC 2005

???? - is that a path? I don't see it in System Preferences.
gelinas
response 54 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 12:22 UTC 2005

I wonder if they changed System Preferences somewhere along the line.  I'm
running version 10.2.8.

In 10.2.8, i start System Preferences and click the "Show all" icon.  In the
"Internet & Network" section, I click the "Internet" icon, which opens a
panel with four tabs: .Mac, iDisk, Email and Web.  The last tab identifies
the default browser and specifies were files should be downloaded to, with a
"Select..." button to change that location.

Which version are you running?
rcurl
response 55 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 17:49 UTC 2005

10.3.5. There is no "Internet" icon in the Internet and Network group,
only .Mac, Network, QuickTime and Sharing. None of these have anything
equivalent to what you describe under "Web".

But it occurred to me that perhaps they moved such preferences to Safari -
and that is the case. If one chooses Safari as one's web browser, one can
choose the download location. One also chooses one's "default" web browser
in the Safari Preferences. I've taken a chance and changed (in Safari),
"Remove Download List Items" from "Manually" to "Upon Successful
Download". Now I'll see if that affects what they call "Safe" files (which
includes .pdf files) downloads. Stay tuned....
rcurl
response 56 of 127: Mark Unseen   Apr 3 19:00 UTC 2005

(I only just now read #55 again. I guess I did that, and it didn't work
for Netscape.)
rcurl
response 57 of 127: Mark Unseen   Apr 3 19:13 UTC 2005

[Mac Help] says you can choose the startup disk (OS 9 or OS X) if you
"hold down the Option key as you restart your computer. You'll see the
available startup disks and can select one." But when I start up holding
down the Option button what I get is a window showing only an OS X icon
and two "buttons", one of which (an arrow in a circle) does nothing and
the other of which (a right-facing arrow)  completes the startup in OS X.  
Is there another way to start up in OS 9? (It is OS 9.2.2 on this
machine.)

rcurl
response 58 of 127: Mark Unseen   Apr 15 20:40 UTC 2005

Hmmm...no  answers to #57. Maybe I'll be luckier with

I learned about OS X "Maintenance" and other stuff from the article
"Prevent Mac Disaster", from Macworld, 2/05. In order to expedite
maintenance I downloaded OnyX. This has buttons for running Maintenance
Scripts (which otherwise would almost never be run, since my computer is
usually not on when they are run automatically), and for "Cleaning"
(deleting log files and caches and some other stuff). The article did not
say, however, if there is any "Maintenance" or "Cleaning" that for some
reason I should NOT do. Not all the categories are self evident. Does
anyone have any do and don't suggetions regarding running OnyX?
rcurl
response 59 of 127: Mark Unseen   May 27 19:21 UTC 2005

Further to the same question in #58: when I run Cleaning on all categories
of files in Onyx, I get one error message, Error 1, which reads

  find: /private/_tmp_/printing.523/Preview of "....[long title]....".

Doesn't anyone else running Mac OS X use Onyx for maintenance and cleaning?
rcurl
response 60 of 127: Mark Unseen   May 30 19:24 UTC 2005

I guess no one runs Onyx....sigh. Mac users might try it, though: free
download.

But let me ask a new question. I am using Terminal to ftp files to a remote
server. I do this with the put command and drag and drop the file into it.
It looks like this:

ftp> put /R/NSS/nss-tnc/index.html 
local: /R/NSS/nss-tnc/index.html remote: /R/NSS/nss-tnc/index.html
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||55412|)
550 /R/NSS/nss-tnc/index.html: No such file or directory

As you see, it doesn't work. However, if I put the index.html file in the root
direction, as /index.html, and then put that, it works. That looks like this:

ftp> put /index.html 
local: /index.html remote: /index.html
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||55433|)
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for /index.html
100% |*************************************|  3827       3.14 MB/s    00:00
ETA
226 Transfer complete.
3827 bytes sent in 00:00 (22.07 KB/s)

What is the problem with putting the file from a deeper directory?
twenex
response 61 of 127: Mark Unseen   May 31 00:28 UTC 2005

You might want to try "cd'ing" to the correct directory. Either use:

ftp> cd /R/NSS/nss-tnc/
ftp> put index.html

or cd to each directory in turn, then put. I've found that BSD versions of
Unix utilities (which is what your Mac uses, and no, it doesn't matter what
"BSD versions" means), are quite limited compared to their counterparts on
Linux. However, you can download the versions used on Linux distros (the GNU
tools) and put them on your Mac. Your mission, should you choose to accept
it, is to read:
http://snow.prohosting.com/guru4mac/opensource_sw_macosx_2k2.html

You may also want to check out the Gentoo on Mac OS X project.
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/macos-guide.xml)

(I find gentoo's portage much more easy to use than debian's apt-get. To use
the commandline apt-get tools, you must either know the exact name of the
package you're downloading, or browse through some [imho] unfriendly
text-based and gui-tools. portage puts directories for each of its packages
in directories (under /usr/portage on Gentoo Linux), which you can browse at
your leisure. Interestingly, portage was also inspired by the ports system
from BSD, on which MacOS is based.
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