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gull
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response 37 of 81:
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Nov 26 05:16 UTC 2000 |
I've heard that one should treat end cap placed products with suspicion,
because they're often where you get taken into buying something at higher
than the going rate. Same for those floor displays that partially block
aisles.
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otter
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response 38 of 81:
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Nov 26 18:29 UTC 2000 |
My experiences with
1) Meijer (Kalamazoo area): employees would rather talk to each other
than to a customer. And if it ain't in my department, I got no idear whar
it is.
2) Hudson's (Kalamazoo again): if you don't look and act exactly like all
of our other sheep -er- customers, we must put our entire security force
on your ass, post haste.
resp:37 - I've been told that, too. I always take a peek at similar
products on the aisle shelves, just to be sure.
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bru
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response 39 of 81:
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Nov 27 02:28 UTC 2000 |
re. 37
Not necessarily true. We moved things all over on th end caps in the
department store I worked in. No particular reason. And the items in the
aisles are there to attract the shopers attention, much like the items in the
checkout lanes in your grocery store.
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senna
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response 40 of 81:
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Nov 27 05:01 UTC 2000 |
Much as I'd like to be helpful to customers, I really don't know where a lot
of items at Meijer are, and I'm one of the people who sees the most of them.
I have a good idea of who to ask,a nd I try to help people find them. The
crosstalk issue is a bit of a problem at most stores, I think.
End caps at Meijer featuring, say, cereal or chips, will have items with the
same UPCs (and prices) as those on the conventional shelf. It's possible,
I suppose, to have a size of lesser value (weight vs. price), though.
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mdw
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response 41 of 81:
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Nov 27 05:33 UTC 2000 |
I haven't seen endcaps having different prices than the regular location
at Meijers. On the other hand, I have seen better bargains with other
brands or alternatives in the regular section - just because it's "on
sale" and on the endcap doesn't mean it's the best bargain.
With some items (batteries, light bulbs) it's fascinating to see just
how many different "regular" places these items have, and often there's
a different brand selection at each. Of the two, batteries are the more
straight-forward; there's a big selection near the camera department,
then various small "end-cap" displays elsewhere, such as near the
checkout lanes, toys, etc. Generally going to the camera goods section
is sufficient. Lightbulbs, on the other hand, have several large
displays in the groceries, household goods, hardware, & perhaps
elsewhere - each with its own brands and prices. I think groceries has
phillips, hardware has GE, and household goods used to have yugoslavia
bulbs. Yugoslavia bulbs for some reason were cheapest. Perhaps that's
because they were furthest from the groceries.
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senna
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response 42 of 81:
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Nov 27 13:23 UTC 2000 |
You nailed most of the lightbulb locations, but don't forget specialty bulbs
in gifts&lamps and trim-a-tree. Your analysis is fairly straight on.
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scott
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response 43 of 81:
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Nov 27 14:09 UTC 2000 |
Meijer is *very* good at complimentary product stocking. Batteries by
electronics, lightbulbs in various locations, and other examples I've noticed
but can't remember.
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keesan
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response 44 of 81:
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Nov 27 15:55 UTC 2000 |
When I was in Yugoslavia there was such a shortage of lightbulbs that you had
to know someone working in the store to get one. One worker took pity on me
as a foreign student and sold me a lightbulb. Their price was fixed by law
and it was probably lower than the cost of materials. Same problem with milk,
and detergent. Yogurt was available if you got there early, milk almost
never. (Early being 6 am).
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polygon
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response 45 of 81:
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Nov 27 16:47 UTC 2000 |
I have not noticed any difference between prices on endcaps and prices on
the regular shelf, at Meijer's or elsewhere.
I didn't mean to imply that McDonald's food is high quality. I meant that
McDonald's treats its customers with more respect than many other fast
food chains do.
That may be because McDonald's is better managed than most other fast food
chains, at least around here. Check the health department inspection
reports (as I did in Ingham County over some period of time while I lived
there): McDonald's consistently gets 98 or better. Of course, they aren't
attempting much, so there aren't as many different food preparation
activities to lose points on. Nonetheless, the consistency of almost
perfect scores reflects consistency of very attentive management.
McDonald's also serves far better coffee than (say) Burger King, and it
provides half-and-half instead of non-dairy creamer.
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senna
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response 46 of 81:
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Nov 27 18:17 UTC 2000 |
Skip the Mcdonald's by Meijer. Trust me.
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aaron
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response 47 of 81:
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Nov 27 18:21 UTC 2000 |
The potential for "near perfect" scores varies significantly between
counties. At least in the 80's and early 90's, and probably through the
present, Washtenaw County has restaurants that never break 90, which are
cleaner than most "near perfect" restaurants in other counties. We are
actually lucky to have such demanding health inspectors, although it isn't
always a source of joy to those in the restaurant business.
One thing that will cost an instant five points, and requires mandatory
reinspection, is "presence of insects." It is rarely checked, particularly
when the inspector doesn't want to reinspect or the County doesn't want to
pay for reinspection. But I can guarantee you that, with full access to any
restaurant's kitchen, I will find evidence of "presence of insects."
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gull
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response 48 of 81:
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Nov 27 22:45 UTC 2000 |
California, interestingly enough, has no requirement that restaurants be
inspected. Caveat emptor, I guess. (They also don't require that amusement
park rides be inspected.)
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jep
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response 49 of 81:
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Nov 28 18:18 UTC 2000 |
re #23: Whole milk is 3.5% fat. I don't think this is because all cows
produce milk with 3.5% fat; I think the milk is processed without much
fat, then the fat is added to bring it up to 3.5%, or 2% for "reduced
fat", or 1% for "low fat", or none is added back in for "non-fat". It's
not possible to buy it any more in America, but when I was a kid I had
fresh, whole, non-processed milk a few times. It was a different liquid
than the milk sold in cartons in stores.
McDonald's varies widely in quality, but not as widely as Burger King.
The McDonald's in Saline has become unacceptable in quality in the last
year. The one near the Meijer's on Carpenter Rd. has been miserably
slow for years, and so has the one on Plymouth Rd. I work at Domino
Farms; if I want McDonald's for lunch, I drive to Washtenaw Ave in
Pittsfield Township because it's quicker.
At it's best, Burger King is much better than anything produced by
McDonalds. A hot off the grill Whopper, which hasn't been
mummified under a heat lamp, is great. However, it's very unlikely
you'll get anything at it's best from Burger King.
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polygon
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response 50 of 81:
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Nov 28 18:43 UTC 2000 |
Agreed that a fresh Whopper (or any Burger King burger) is superior to
any McDonald's burger. Burger King also has made a big deal of accepting
special instructions, so you can get a fresh burger by insisting on "no
mustard, extra onion" or the like. One horribly stale and disgusting
Whopper was enough to convince me never to forget the special
instructions.
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jep
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response 51 of 81:
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Nov 28 19:07 UTC 2000 |
Good point, that; always special-order from Burger King. You have to
think a little about the ingredients, though. Burger King will open up
an existing burger and remove the pickle or onion or tomato. You have
to ask them to omit the ketchup or mustard or barbecue sauce; they can't
remove those once they've been made. Adding anything is not a
productive way to get a better burger; they can add ingredients to a
burger that's already been assembled.
There are times when you can get better food. As soon as the restaurant
opens, the breakfast sandwiches are fine. They switch to lunch food at
10:00 or 10:30, and don't pre-make much then. Peak times are a good
time for fresher food if you eat standard sandwiches, since they turn
over a lot then. Just after peak times are the *worst* time to get food
from Burger King; they probably pre-made more than they needed for the
peak, and so you get leftovers.
The later in the day you get a shake, tea or coffee, the longer since
the machines have been washed.
If it takes less than 3 minutes to get your fish sandwich or chicken
nuggets, they have been stored under a heat lamp and are not fresh.
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gelinas
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response 52 of 81:
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Nov 28 19:11 UTC 2000 |
I don't think fat is added to milk. Different breeds of cows have different
levels of fat; mix them all up and the average is probably close to 3.5%.
Skim milk lets the fat (AKA "cream") rise to the top, where it is "skimmed"
off, resulting in non-fat milk. It is *possible* that dairies skim *all* the
milk and then add the cream back to some of it, to hit the advertised fat
levels. I would expect "whole milk" to un-doctored, though. The cream not
used in the 1% and 2% varieties probably ends up as butter.
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polygon
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response 53 of 81:
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Nov 28 20:25 UTC 2000 |
Re 51. Right, that's the point of "no mustard". :-)
Note that (last I looked) McDonald's serves shakes made from actual dairy
products, and Burger King does not.
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scg
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response 54 of 81:
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Nov 28 20:44 UTC 2000 |
My accidental experimentation a few years ago showed that I could leave empty
McDonald's or Burger King milkshake cups on the floor of my truck without
generating a bad smell, but the Arby's milkshake cup I left in my truck was
smelling really bad within a day or two.
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jep
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response 55 of 81:
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Nov 28 21:08 UTC 2000 |
McDonald's used to have wonderful eggnog shakes at Christmastime, but
replaced them with a low fat substitute that tastes like kerosene soaked
cardboard. I'm not a big fan of McDonald's milk shakes.
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ea
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response 56 of 81:
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Nov 28 21:17 UTC 2000 |
I had a burger today from McDonald's that tasted pretty good for
McDonalds. It was warm, and fairly juicy, almost as good as a Wendy's
burger (IMHO, Wendy's has the best of any fast food - AFAIK, they do
not use heat lamps (however they do use warming pans for the
grilled/fried chicken as it takes at least 5 minutes to fry/grill the
chicken))
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senna
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response 57 of 81:
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Nov 29 01:27 UTC 2000 |
I appreciate Wendy's quality. I love whopper sales and such at Burger King,
too. A whopper, when well made, approaches the best burgers made in any sit
down restaurant, I think.
However, I don't attend any of these restaurants regularly. None serve
mountain dew, and the junkiness of mcdonalds tends to make me feel rather
lousy for the next couple of hours at work, so I eat Taco Bell chicken
products. They are actually quite good.
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keesan
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response 58 of 81:
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Dec 1 23:37 UTC 2000 |
What would all you fast-food devotees do if you had to spend some time in a
country without the American chains?
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mcnally
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response 59 of 81:
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Dec 2 02:05 UTC 2000 |
We'd insist that they put a Starbucks and a KFC inside the Forbidden City
before we'd come to visit.. It seems to have worked so far..
<shudder..>
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scott
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response 60 of 81:
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Dec 2 03:29 UTC 2000 |
Ann Arbor is currently in the process of getting its 3rd Starbucks outlet...
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mcnally
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response 61 of 81:
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Dec 2 03:45 UTC 2000 |
Hah! try living this close to Starbucks' Ground Zero.
Just by itself, the strip mall in Factoria where I often stop for lunch
(a collection of small shops and restaurants centered around a grocery
store, about the size of the Westgate Kroger complex before Kroger moved
out..) has two full-sized Starbucks.
I'm waiting to hear that some computer science or math grad student
at the University of Washington has been granted a Ph.D. for a new
graph-traversal algorithm efficient enough to calculate routes through
Seattle that don't pass either a Starbucks or a Tully's. I mean,
talk about your computationally intractable theory problems..
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